- #1730021gabyoneMemberMember since: November 13, 2008
Replies: 2751gabyone August 19, 2019 at 6:36 pm
Paulinem : Recently BNZ confirmed I had the correct a/c no when I went to deposit money into a friends A/c after they had paid for an item that I needed but could not find locally. In both cases the bank staff knew who I was. Perhaps small towns are more relaxed about the rules because they tend to know the customers.
Gabyone Auckland region#1730048kaiapoikenMemberMember since: November 27, 2015
Replies: 283kaiapoiken August 19, 2019 at 9:40 pm
Pity that this thread is now a discussion on Banking. I thought we were talking Teaching. Silly me.#1730051paulinem August 19, 2019 at 9:57 pm
Yes Kai you are right I wrongly diverted the conversation. I only brought it up as an example of the stupidity and unreasonableness of PC behavior in our world. PC attitudes of course for our teachers is a problem in their job to educate our children#1730067halcyonMemberMember since: May 4, 2014
Replies: 4960halcyon August 20, 2019 at 9:36 am
Is it societies’ PC attitude that is the problem? Or is it poor parenting skills? When I had the opportunity to monitor classroom behaviour, I found that a good percentage of the children well behaved. It was the minority who were causing the problems.
I have heard a New Entry Teacher claim that there are some children starting school who can not sit still for 5 minutes. She said that some were not even toilet trained. One wonders what attention those children receive from their parents.
It's ok if you disagree with me. I can't force you to be right.#1730083arandarMemberMember since: November 23, 2009
Replies: 10765arandar August 20, 2019 at 11:31 am
That’s a true thing, Halcyon, children who’ve not been taught basic skills at home and/or preschool come to school way, way behind their peers.
As do children with learning disabilities, children with health, mental health and behavioural issues.
They pose a real problem for teachers who are expected to parent, police, nurse, socialise and teach these kids – after all, someone has to, right, but teachers aren’t particularly well trained or resourced or supported to do it all.
None of these things are the children’s fault and none are overcome by stricter discipline, punishment, or suspending the child from the school.
I’m convinced all these problems existed before; rather they’re more visible in today’s inclusive society. A lot of disabled children were taken/sent into institutional
‘care’ or stayed home. I know, when I was a child, my friend’s younger brother, who had Down Syndrome, did not go to kindy with us nor on to primary school. He stayed home with his mother until the day he drowned in a local creek. There were terrible bullies at my school and the ‘code’ meant we didn’t tell. We just had a lot of accidents.
Arandar#1730136halcyonMemberMember since: May 4, 2014
Replies: 4960halcyon August 20, 2019 at 5:01 pm
Arandar, I like your statement “teachers who are expected to parent, police, nurse, socialise and teach these kids“. This highlights the crux of the issues. Our teachers are very caring people, who focus on the wellbeing of the children. Unfortunately, they try to do “it all” by themselves. They often are asked to work outside their skill base.
Other agencies have the expertise, and though underfunded, hold the role to address the particular issue, whether it be Police, Social Workers, or Mental Health Workers. Schools need to more willing to refer students to other agencies. So doing could ease the load on teachers.
Paulinem, refers to effects of PC on our teachers’ ability to control behaviour. And she is correct in that the day of physical discipline has long gone. (Yeah, I got my fair share of the cane.) This is why it is important that referrals are made. Behavioural issues in children under 14 years of age are classified as ‘care and protection” issues. Notifications allow for a Family Group Conference to be held. These meetings can combine family responsibility with access to helping agencies. Early intervention can reduce the likelihood of more serious anti-social behaviour later in life.
It's ok if you disagree with me. I can't force you to be right.
#1730155paulinem August 20, 2019 at 7:57 pm
- This reply was modified 1 month ago by halcyon.
My teacher daughter told me that what the teachers want to control bad behavior is more teacher aids in the classroom. They feel that this would go along way to help solve their bad behavioral problems they have.
Haylcaon I went to a school where they didnt have paid cleaners whom came in and cleaned up the classrooms etc. We the students were expected to take turns sweep and clean up the classroom we were in for the day. Bad behavior such as talking to a classmate in class when we were suppose to be listening to the teacher, was often punished by been expected to clean the classrooms windows shinny clean 🙂#1730162paulinem August 21, 2019 at 8:59 am
An example at the PC world re young people we have was a 15yr in South Otago whom refused to go to school, which was reported in The Southland Times today . Why because according to his mum, he prefers to stay in bed, or lounge around watching TV all day.
He certainly knows his rights of what he can and cant do! She told the stuff reporter if she try’s to force him into going to school. As the mum said, If I physically dragged him out of bed, to get dressed and go to school. He told her he would report her to the Police for ASSULT. He knows his rights and would be happy to use them to remain a lazy buggar, according to mum. When the reporter asked her “if she thought he would go through with this threat.” She said I dont know and she wasnt going to find out, re the trouble it would cause in her life !
This case was in the paper as truancy took the mother to court, re not assuring her child received an education, she was fined $50. She said this gave him a fright, and when she sent him to school next day, Stuff told her he didnt turn up at the school. She said she wasnt sure if he was still enrolled at the South Otago high school. He was once a pupil of the Clinton school but didn’t attend at this school much either.#1730275arandarMemberMember since: November 23, 2009
Replies: 10765arandar August 21, 2019 at 11:36 pm
The perfect example of an ignorant and neglectful parent.
Poor boy. All sorts of behavioural and probably intellectual issues in both parent and child
The authorities and psych services should have been called in long ago. Hope Stuff went to the schools where this boy was supposed to attend to ask what they did about his truancy years ago.
Bloody ridiculous situation.
Arandar#1730285kaiapoikenMemberMember since: November 27, 2015
Replies: 283kaiapoiken August 22, 2019 at 9:34 am
I fail to see how you could say that about the parent Arandar. The report quite explicitly says that the towrag had threatened her with the Police if he didn’t get his “rights”. Obviously the woman was scared and was herself being subjected to abuse by him. “poor boy”!!!! – Crap.
- This reply was modified 1 month ago by kaiapoiken.
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