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    Thought we might have something controversial for a change.

    I’m against the re introduction of the death penalty;I believe it’s something which has no place in civilised society.

    Because we’re human,we make mistakes & there’s a chance that an innocent person might be executed.

    Then of course there’s always the chance that a murderer may just turn their life around & do some good – it’s unusual,but it has happened.

    As a deterrent,it fairly obviously doesn’t work – America being an excellent example.

    What do others think?

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    quote Because we’re human,we make mistakes & there’s a chance that an innocent person might be executed..unquote from belladonna.

    I am in total agreeance with your statement above belladonna, and i would hate to see another innocent person executed, or even imprisoned for that matter.
    At least with imprisonment everyone has a long time to keep trying to prove their innocence, and even though it is ‘criminal’ that part of their life has been wasted, they at least have their life…(and hopefully will become millionaires in the event of them being proven innocent)!
    So even though I believe in a life for a life, for the deliberate act of murder, (not for manslaughter though), I would rather see the murderer have the lighter sentence.(for the sake of the innocent convicted person)

    I would be happy to see life imprisonment mean just that though (.In other words he stays in prison for the rest of his days)!

    A justice system should be just that. Justice for the victims.

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    Yes, so sadly it often the victims or their families who are forgotten in so many terrible crimes. I and my family are victims of such a terrible crime so sorry if this will offend but I think if the murderer is guilty beyond doubt then they should be executed!!!!!!!!!!! Imprisonment in this day means nothing. They may get 10 years sentence but are released so easy on parole, in just a few short years, and many of them, only to reoffend. If someone is given a life sentence they should serve that sentence for LIFE, but then again why should be as tax payers pay for these scum to be given such a good deal in life. Perhaps it should go back to the old bread and water prisons and hard manual labour and maybe, just maybe it might be a deterrent.

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    Yes, so sadly it often the victims or their families who are forgotten in so many terrible crimes. I and my family are victims of such a terrible crime so sorry if this will offend but I think if the murderer is guilty beyond doubt then they should be executed!!!!!!!!!!! Imprisonment in this day means nothing. They may get 10 years sentence but are released so easy on parole, in just a few short years, and many of them, only to reoffend. If someone is given a life sentence they should serve that sentence for LIFE, but then again why should be as tax payers pay for these scum to be given such a good deal in life. Perhaps it should go back to the old bread and water prisons and hard manual labour and maybe, just maybe it might be a deterrent.

    Nandi,no disrepect whatever is meant towards the victims of crime. And I don’t think it’s entirely true that they’re forgotten – we now have the Victim Support organisation,which may not be much but is surely better than nothing.

    I do see what you mean about life not really being for the term of the person’s natural life – but our laws just aren’t written that way.
    I really don’t agree that bread & water & hard labour is going to help anyone – it may satisfy the punitive,vindictive side of our natural reaction to crime – but it didn’t do much good when it was last used & could actually worsen the situation. Do we want people coming out of prison even more embittered & angry than they were when they were sentenced?

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    hello Nandi. i’m so sorry you and your family went through such a terrible time.
    Sad to say, there is a problem with proving guilt beyond reasonable doubt. Look at all of the innocent people who rotted away in prison for many many years, because they were ‘proven guilty beyond reasonable doubt’..the jurys and courts were completely wrong, and no one can recompense the innocent fully for the injustice of this, and I can’t see it changing in the near future…some of the ones proven innocent were put to death before the proof of their innocence was there to see./ the system is so imperfect as we all are, so i call it a LEGAL system, not a JUSTICE system,.
    Nobody can make up to you and your family for what has happened in your life nandi, but i do know that if the person was put to death there would be a certain amount of closure for you, and satuisfaction that justice has been done, even though it did not rectify what happened to you….
    I firmly believe though that those criminals will get their just deserts in the end, but you will not know about it.
    my regards to you

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    On re reading my submission I must admit I sounded very bitter about criminals as a whole. Yes, I agree these criminals will get their just desserts in the end. I know I will become a stronger person when I can come to terms with our family devastation and forgive, but meanwhile it is very hard. I still think goal terms are not a strong or long enough deterrent to criminals and think this should be looked at by the powers that be. Maybe if some of these young folk knew they would get put away or such like for longer they may think twice about committing the crime in the first instance.
    I have to wonder why crime (especially murder) is so much more happening today than many years ago. We seem to hear of one nearly everyday now but why??????

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    Probably because it is in their (murderers ) daily diet on television – I see the shorts of programmes and I shudder .
    I recall someone saying -“what we are prepared to allow in our living rooms we will see on our streets” ….
    Forgiveness is now seen as letting someone get away with it – a soft option – on a personal level ,bitterness is a normal reaction ,try not to let it destroy you . . We will be thinking of you – I trust you have supportive friends who will let you talk as long as it takes .
    I believe in the death penalty for proven murder -innocent blood cries from the ground for justice … It is a deterrent for criminals …Fear of the consequences …
    Emelle.

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    death penalty has a wide and varied application from different countries……38 states in the usa….singapore….middle east…
    and many others…..varying from ‘so called humane’…..which killing a human being is hard to look at as humane……to the downright barbaric………who remembers the 21yr old in singapore……..my personal conviction is…..no death penalty….period……..having said that….i would like to look at a range of justice applications……..from the stark bare essentials for continuing life…..to the less rigid…….then again i have not had a loved one tortured…..abducted or any other ghastly deed inflicted…….thank heavens……lots of awful things happen in our nz……..but i still want it as my home……..

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    Lack of love for others is a prime reason for criminal activity. these people have no conscience either it seems, and as emelle says the garbage dished up on Tv does not help fine tune the conscience.
    i believe the other reason is the lack of fitting punishment ..maybe they should bring the stocks back..wouldn’t they just hate to be on public display and humiliated, and public flogging..it’s a good deterrent too, but not fitting in our day and age,.
    Prison terms do need to be much harsher to act as a deterrent but it will not stop the crime. The death penalty would definitely decrease murder, as when it was the law there were very few murders….but it will not come back i’m sure.
    In the news i see people asking for life sentences to be for the length of the criminals life, so i feel that is the most we can hope for.

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    I do think there are some who will always need to be locked away because they’re a danger to society.

    The thing about the death penalty as a deterrent is that it just doesn’t work – we need only look at the American situation to realise that. They also have presently a situation where some prisoners on death row were proved to be innocent,by using DNA.

    The death penalty may satisfy our natural human desire to punish & extract revenge – but that is perhaps not a thing which is good.

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    The attitude of those who have suffered ,and I mean Suffered ,a loss of a family member ,is not really ‘punish and revenge ‘ at all – but to see true justice done …Why should the murderer live ? I cared for a young teenager who lost a darling ,cherished mother through the most brutal circumstances .I know the nights when they were still awake at 1 am ,or when they were too scared to go to the toilet alone …I know the need for a Mum when the school ball comes ,or praise for a good school report ,or help to fix something .I could be a friend to support ,but I could never be her Mum.
    Emelle.

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    I believe in the adage “an eye for an eye,etc”.
    One thing is certain,when a killer is executed they will NOT reoffend.
    The killer felt no pity for their victim and I feel no pity or sympathy for ANY criminal,as for the statement that TV is a major cause of crime – rubbish! I am convinced that it starts at an early age and only the parents are to blame,especially today in this PC ridden society where succesive governments like to put the concerns of children and minority groups before the concerns of the average citizen,for example,a quick short smack (not a beating) never did any child any harm whatsoever,but I reckon the same smack did do “a lot of good”
    As we are not likely to see a return to Capital punishment I suppose the most we can hope for is “life to mean life” and much longer terms for lesser crimes.
    Regards, Grahame

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