- January 3, 2012 at 11:47 am #732981
arandarMemberMember since: November 23, 2009
I’m trying to remember WHAT the EBs actually did – can someone remind me?
Did not their pamphlets purport to be from the Green Party – slagging Labour? Isn’t that also the tactics the EBs used in Australia, in Tasmania, where there is a Green Senator? I seem to recall the pamphlets were not only printed in Greens party colours and style but also contained provable lies?
Arandar/Himatangi Beach🏄🏼January 3, 2012 at 1:12 pm #732983
arandar, I think you are right. There was also a connection between The EBs and Crosby -Textor and John Key Steven Joyce etc to do with paying for advertising.
Peoples Republic Of ChristchurchJanuary 3, 2012 at 1:46 pm #732985
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guilty of dishonest practices, as bribery; lacking integrity; crooked: a corrupt judge.
debased in character; depraved; perverted; wicked; evil: a corrupt society.
made inferior by errors or alterations, as a text.
Doc, more than one of those definitions applies to the government at the timeJanuary 3, 2012 at 1:51 pm #732987
OJ,enlighten Me. I don,t agree.! I am well aware of dictionary meanings.Proving corruption is an entirely different thing unless you have the evidence.
Peoples Republic Of ChristchurchJanuary 3, 2012 at 1:52 pm #732989
Everyone who is elligible to vote, by law has to register in New Zealand. However, nobody is require by law, or any other reason to vote and iffin someone chooses not to vote, there is nothing at all that says they cannot try it influence otheres to cast their vote any particular way. So I say it again, Who the hell are you to tell them they have no right to try to get rid of a corrupt government.January 3, 2012 at 2:06 pm #732991
OJ, So you have made up the words corrupt government, it being only your opinion.
Peoples Republic Of ChristchurchJanuary 3, 2012 at 2:10 pm #732993
No Doc it was not only my opion because many others held the same opinion that the government at the time fitted at least one of those definitions.January 3, 2012 at 2:11 pm #732995
arandar, Did you hear anything about John Key using taxpayers money to pay for his controversial Australian Strategy advisers Crosby-Textor.I read somewhere there was a query whether Key used Parliamentary Services rather than the National Party.I think I read their bill was $12,600 in that instance.
Peoples Republic Of ChristchurchJanuary 3, 2012 at 5:55 pm #732997
And OJ, Just what was corrupt about that Government that you and your many others unnamed thought in your opinion.?
Peoples Republic Of ChristchurchJanuary 3, 2012 at 6:52 pm #732999
pete087MemberMember since: July 3, 2011
I still think that you guys are all getting upset about various definitions when in reality it’s all a fait accompli,and always is when it comes to politics,and therefore it is all sewn up and sealed.
As I have said before, corruption,or “corruption” is present everywhere and it is only a matter of “how much” and how “deadly” it might be when it comes to the general good of a society.
What I call corruption is what those finance companies did which literally robbed many NZers blind and did it legally.
That is far more deadly than what a couple of politicians did over a cup of tea because all they were doing was setting up the deck chairs without telling the others in their respective parties.
Yes,of course it’s going to give Winnie all the ammunition he needs to bring down everybody to his own level,and then Harawira will climb in over the struggling bodies with his own knife…..this term might be better than Goon Show reruns !
But the real corruption will never see the light of day,you can bet on that.
And while you’re at it have a look at all those “retired” politicians and study their carefully laid plans to establish well paid future employment in similar scenarios……the list goes on and on.
And if you think they didnt know it was coming then go and join all the other sheep in the lower paddock.
Cheers.:green:January 3, 2012 at 8:28 pm #733001
Hey Doc, just put the second definition that I posted in #64 alongside of that government and look what they did to our society with their social engineering and you will see what I mean.
And in your #69 you highlighted that corruption is still rife in our government too.
“I still think that you guys are all getting upset about various definitions when in reality it’s all a fait accompli,and always is when it comes to politics,and therefore it is all sewn up and sealed.”
Pete, that statement is spot on, and shows that we do not have democracy here, it’s just a delusion.January 3, 2012 at 9:50 pm #733003
Oj, So now we move from your word corruption to social engineering. Please clarify the connection and to what your opinion refers to.?
Peoples Republic Of ChristchurchJanuary 3, 2012 at 10:18 pm #733005
pete087MemberMember since: July 3, 2011
OJ………”democracy” has never been what it is supposed to theoretically represent…..it is only an ideal model…….ALL the established democracies around the world are of so many variations that one would wonder which one is the closest to that ideal.
At least it is better than other ideologies that exist in this rather angry world we inhabit,so what we must realise is that perhaps we have a reasonably working model compared to other democracies I’ve lived under.
For instance I prefer the French justice system to ours…..at least it doesnt flounder around like ours does.
I prefer the Australian compulsory voting system to ours……where even the dickheads HAVE to vote,probably for the only time they ever have to think…..more about what it’ll cost them if they dont !
The American system has interesting angles too but is obviously corrupt through to its very core by its own definition of freedom.
The English ? Well you get further if you have a hyphernated name and are in the right class !
So NZ democracy? We do have a class system….it is based on money and what assetts you own outright…..so of course it has its corruption. Money goes to bed with money…..end of story.
And all I can say is that if I was in their position I would probably be the worst of the lot……first thing I’d do is flog a million out of the system and bank it overseas…….you bet I would !
:green:January 3, 2012 at 10:28 pm #733007
“Oj, So now we move from your word corruption to social engineering. Please clarify the connection and to what your opinion refers to.?”
2. debased in character; depraved; perverted; wicked; evil: a corrupt society.
The government at tghe time we were talking about, through social engineering changed our laws so that they are now debased in character; depraved; perverted; wicked; evil.
Caint you see that?January 4, 2012 at 8:50 am #733009
OJ, You have lost me.I cannot see any law that was depraved, wicked or evil in your opinion.
I however railed against Labours Rogernomics and Nationals Ruthenasia & Bill Birchs Think Big.
Peoples Republic Of ChristchurchJanuary 4, 2012 at 4:20 pm #733011
anon9741MemberMember since: September 7, 2008
I received many of the leaflets that the EB’s put out, and I still have them. They were anti- Green and Labour Party leaflets, and Pro a change of government in 2008. They used the word BEWARE! on the front of green flyers with pictures of tree ferns quoting false “Green Party Policies” and constantly urged voters to use their party vote to change the government. They also stated that we needed tax cuts, as the Labour Government was holding onto a “$7 billion surplus” and if the government gave us back our share, we could all “fly to Aussie and watch the ALL BLACKS every time”. Hmmmmm……didn’t quite turn out that way, did it? 😛January 4, 2012 at 5:19 pm #733013
wekanz, Not the sort of honesty we would expect from religious persuaders.Not content to campaign in the open they resorted to underhand tactics and like the Hollow Men who supported them got found out.
Peoples Republic Of ChristchurchJanuary 4, 2012 at 9:01 pm #733015
“OJ, You have lost me.I cannot see any law that was depraved, wicked or evil in your opinion.”
All the pro poof stuff fits right up that alley.
“I received many of the leaflets that the EB’s put out, and I still have them. They were anti- Green and Labour Party leaflets, and Pro a change of government in 2008.”
Methinks that is the wrong election.January 4, 2012 at 10:52 pm #733017
anon9741MemberMember since: September 7, 2008
Yes, OJ, it was in 2005, not 2008, how time flies when you think back on the shenanigans that have been going on for a while in this countryJanuary 5, 2012 at 11:50 am #733019
wekanz, Shenanigans are still going on as Crosby Textor still involved in Nationals organisation.They have been involved in Conservative Governments campaigns in other countries just like John Keys friend Lord Robin Ashcroft.
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