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    If low pay is a factor, how do families manage to purchase all the unnecessary items like cars, 40″ televisions, mobile phones, bikes, xboxes, internet.
    Sure I am from a different age but we never had what we couldn’t afford. For instance, I saved pocket money for years until I had enough for a second hand bike. Some time after, my brother had his pinched. He needed a bike for his paper round, so it was logical he had mine. Again, I saved.
    Back in the day, people walked or caught buses. Even now, we go for long daily walks weather permitting.

    One problem I believe to be a factor is Facebook. I’m not active on it but do have an account for looking things up.
    I’d hazard a guess that a high percentage of kids of all ages have a mobile phone permanently connected to the dreaded Facebook. Kids do what other kids do, the peer factor is an issue.

    There’s currently an ad on tv for internet usage topups, a family at the dinner table and shows one young girl tapping away at her mobile. I cringe every time it comes up.
    Sure I have a moble, actually I have two. One cost me $15, the other is a hand me down. I prepay and a $20 topup lasts me at least 4 months. The other phone has a UK sim and only used when I’m in UK.

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    Not sure what that has to do with mental health Robo23?

     

    I think it took some courage for Mike King to reign & speak out against govt suicide plan,saying its deeply flawed & self-serving.

     

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    lilith7

    It has everything to do with it.

    My post was in response to others who have spoken of family values, low pay, poverty, social issues.
    Also the high percentage of Maori crimes all stems from family values.

    If family values were good in my day, why aren’t they nowadays?

    People having more kids than they can afford?

    Parents have money for drugs, alcohol, tobacco?

    Our overly generous welfare system plays a part but family values and solid parenting is where it starts.

    All the above has a major impact of suicidal thoughts.

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    rob023,Do you believe in   workers &families receiving  a living wage. to survive and support these family values ? So What do you consider  a Living Wage in New Zealand  May 2017.?

    Dr.Livingstone
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    Sounds like you reckon the answer to eliminating and preventing mental health is giving every family more money doc.

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    rob023, Sounds like you don,t support  a living wage.

    As an aside Have you been following your friend Whaleoils  Craig Court case. It perhaps  “challenges” journalistic norms?

    Dr.Livingstone
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    Doc

    I firmly believe strong solid parenting presenting family values to every growing child will eliminate or at least greatly reduce the level of suicide we see today. That to me is the root of the fix.

    I have views on living wages/living income/minimum income to provide the basics of life but it’s not a one size fits all whereas the above paragraph is.

    I’m not following the Craig/Cameron case. To me Craig is a halfwit with too much money to toss around for his own good.

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    Interesting to read that grandparents are stepping in to try and help their grandchildren as more and more parents are trapped in the meth cycle. Money is available for drugs but as brains are crushed and drug dependency rules money will not fix the cycle. Is there a fix is the worry and life imprisonment for the drug purveyors a must if shooting them is too barbaric for our “money fixes all problems” citizens. We shoot mad dogs don’t we. They are victims as well of human inhumanity and greed so why not treat like as like. Stroking egos in the hope of change no longer works once the need takes over the brain. Who is kidding whom.?

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    Poor parenting takes many forms.from too much money to too little. Child abuse, bullying, and earlier sexual development and children off the rails experimenting  on teenagers  puts social  peer pressures on our youth    Remember the  “Roastbusters case,.Investment in early childhood at risk children and their families while they are still young way to go.We need  new policy and programmes based on scientific evidence that educate and support with  well designed home visit schemes  where health and social workers  visit families frequently putting more resources in early .Whilst we fail to recognise depression in teens and  continue to have the highest youth suicide rate the fifth highest pregnancy rate the second highest road fatality rate in 15-17 yearolds a child abuse rate four to six times  higher than leading countries,  and fail to act on  binge drinking  we are failing.

    Dr.Livingstone
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    “depression in teens, highest youth suicide rate, fifth highest pregnancy rate, the second highest road fatality rate in 15-17 yearolds, a child abuse rate four to six times higher than leading countries, binge drinking”

    It’s not ‘we are failing’.

    Any or all of the above occurs as a result of extremely poor parenting and bad decision making by parents.
    If a child learns respect, honesty, time sharing, proper behaviour, work ethics, from an early age, all of the above is eliminated from a child’s life.

    After all, prevention is better than cure.

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