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  • #1719430
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    jens

    paulinem  – With Keynesian  credit  creation balanced  by Universal NZ Super  Fund savings  and wartime austerity for maximum exports,  at the end of WW2   the NZ  Pound  was  stronger than the Australian  Pound,  worth  4 $US, and with the economy  strong enough to make a   substantial  (several million  Pound?) gift to  Britain for their war  sufferings  compared to  those in NZ,

    But  when popular politician John A. Lee came out  strongly in favor of govt.  financed  “debt  free(?) Social Credit”, the Labour  Party wisely dismissed  him.

    In spite of that, governments kept borrowing more  than what they repaid, with a  liberal  proportion of  it  for consumption on welfare – which  ended up  with  near-bankruptcy  by 1984, and the  substantial devaluation of our  currency under our economy viability saving  measures through  Rogernomics.

    We did no escape  paying for  our liberal  borrowing, and thanks  to  that,  we have retained  our relative  prosperity compared to Social(istic) Credit countries, which  do not understand  that  profitability is the  priority need  for  any sustainably  successful  economics.

     

    #1719431
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    doogie

    Hero 42

    You have a long winded way of skirting around fraudulent electioneering

    A 20% shortfall in student uptake does not make up the billion dollar cut in spending by government as headline in the NZ Herald which I referred to.

    #1719436
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    halcyon

    Center Left, TheDailyBlog, contains a good article in respect of the Advisory Group advising Ardern on “censoring the internet”.

    As he says ” The feral defense of a panel advising the Prime Minister on censorship of the internet is funny & its Twitter abuse ironic but the issue isn’t who is on the panel, the issue is that there are no civil rights & free speech academics or activists on it! ”

    This is a good point. Reflect on the impact such a group could have on freedom of speech.

    I will leave the last word to Martyn Bradbury, the Blog’s author.

    Look, I don’t like most of the right wing pundits either, but if your ‘hate speech’ threshold is Mike Hosking, then you are the threat to democracy, not Mike bloody Hosking

     

     

    There is nothing more valuable than truth

    #1719441
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    Hero42

    Doogie
    You are quite right. I didn’t fully read the article.

    The $1B is the government being prudent with its spending and removing spending in areas it is no longer a priority or where the funding allocated is no longer needed.

    That is a sign of good government ensuring that they aren’t wasting money, something i would imagine you should be happy about.

    Cheers 🙂

    #1719442
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    Hero42

    On the subject of the redistribution of the fees free funding this makes interesting reading:

    https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2019/05/opinion-why-everyone-is-wrong-about-the-fees-free-failure.html

    The fact it’s cost the taxpayer $197 million less this year than expected, which can be redirected elsewhere, should be a cause for celebration.

    So should the revelation that National’s warning there would be a wave of beneficiaries signing up for free courses to take advantage of the increased student allowance turned out to be wrong.

    “Student allowances have previously been pegged to the jobseeker benefit so there wouldn’t be any perverse incentives for people to enrol in tertiary study even if they had no intention of studying,” National tertiary education spokesman Paul Goldsmith said in 2017.

    “But now that’s all changed, and the zero-fees policy will make it worse. It’s like having a new super jobseeker benefit with no strings attached.”

    Seems National got it wrong with their projection of students taking up the offer even more than Labour did.

    Cheers 🙂

    #1719447
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    Hero42

    Here is an interesting view point:
    https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2019/05/memo-to-the-national-party-you-re-not-actually-the-government-any-more.html

    On Monday evening, Q+A host Jack Tame announced on air that National drug reform spokesperson Paula Bennett had refused an invitation to debate Greens drug reform spokesperson Chlöe Swarbrick. In a tweet he said Bennett would only agree to being interviewed individually.

    This is something Bennett would have got used to in her nine years in cabinet between 2008 and 2017: the policy of the John Key National Government was that ministers did not debate the Opposition on TV or radio.

    The thinking was straightforward (if never articulated in quite these words): ministers are important and make decisions and announcements that affect New Zealand; Opposition MPs aren’t and cannot. Ministers are news – Opposition MPs are just commentators. Meeting the Opposition as equals in a debate elevates the Opposition, and diminishes the Government.

    Since the media’s priority was having the minister on (for the aforementioned reasons), they usually had little choice but to ignominiously bump the Opposition MP from the schedule.

    Nice to see the CoL have the courage to debate the opposition and do not block them from having a say. Shame the opposition aren’t so keen on taking up the opportunity.

    Cheers 🙂

    #1719507
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    Hero42

    Looks like National are thinking about creating a coalition partner party.

    National Party leader Simon Bridges is downplaying speculation that MP Alfred Ngaro could break away and form a Christian party before the next election.

    The New Zealand Herald is reporting that the former cabinet minister is eyeing a tilt, possibly in the safe National seat of Botany currently held by the now-independent Jami-Lee Ross.

    Victoria University political scientist Bryce Edwards told Morning Report despite the development being based on just one story it should be taken seriously.
    He said the National Party needed coalition partners and there has long been speculation that something like this could happen.
    “Often what happens is parties put these stories out, they feed them into the media, almost to fly a kite to just try and get a bit of reaction to see whether this is a flyer or not.
    And so National will be listening to all the conversations going on and trying to work out whether to back this or not.”

    The risk with a breakaway Christian party has always been that it backfires, splintering the right and eating into National’s own support.
    But while the strategy may look good on paper, the move would be a massive gamble.
    The party could crash and burn like so many small parties before it.
    It would be seen by many as cynical and contrived and could turn off right-wing supporters who see it as such.

    For Mr Ngaro then, would the risk be worth it? The staunch National man would have to renounce his party and its safe list spot (at 20) and venture out on his own.
    Why take that gamble when National is still riding high in the polls?
    If the party’s vote does slip and the environment suddenly looks more dire, Mr Ngaro will know whether such a Hail Mary gambit could be a godsend.

    But they can’t leave it too long.

    Cheers 🙂

    #1719519
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    paulinem

    Ah a controversial topic, Micheal Laws ( an  exMP ) is now an elected regional councilor  for Otago RC. Recently the council voted to include in their policy ( I think) council two Maori from their area to offer advice and to be able to VOTE on any decision been made. Micheal Laws went to the media and claimed doing this was racist. That these individuals to be given councilor powers and impute with no election was an act of racism.

    My opinion for once I agree with Micheal Laws, and I am also writing this as a previous  failed candidate not for Otago RC but  for Southland RC. I put myself into the public my time electioneering  to gain the public  vote spent money electioneering but failed to get the necessary votes I accept this  as this is how our democratic election system works.

    Now I have no problem with our councils in getting individuals to come to their meetings etc to offer advice on issues the later is familiar or has expertise with. BUT I draw the line that they the unelected advisors can vote on the issue  and thus influence how the issue is resolved.

    These Maoris that ORC voted to include in their decision making did NO electioneering as I did and others have done. There is no way therefore they should be allowed to vote on any issue to be resolved in the ORC. They are included as they (I suspect) were in a position  of power in a Maori organization. Yes they may have some knowledge on some issues to be resolved, not sure if this is by personal involvement or education. No problem with ORC using this knowledge

    But it appears according to Laws criticism the only reason they were included is their Maoridom. This I question how Maori are they ie was it because their grandfather was a Maori but other than that they  have other  ethnicity inside them, but claim Maoridom .  But this aside Laws is right when one group in our democracy are appointed to our elected boards simply because they claim to belong to an ethnic group to me this is WRONG it is not 1840 any more we now live in the world of 2019.

    According to the last census  results we were given Maori are only 16% of NZs population.  I suggest to you our country now made up of a total mix of ethnic groups whom should all be treated  the same especially when it comes to elected decisions. No ethnic group should be given privileged consideration or treatment over another ethnic group in our democratic country.

     

    #1719549
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    arandar

    Please, PaulineM, do not go down that road … we are Maori because we have a whakapapa, lineage if you like, or a family tree if you prefer, that attests that.

    In this country, there are no limits or minimums, no telling us we must have some arbitrary number of Maori ancestors – here, all that matters is whakapapa. We have Maori ancestors therefore we are Maori.

    As to your other points, I’m inclined to agree with you; I want our elected representatives to seek expert advice on all complex issues in which they have no or limited expertise but I don’t believe those experts should then vote.

    However, we also have to admit, the ‘tyranny of the majority’ means all minorities struggle to get representation in our democracy. Majorities in so many councils, eg, have refused to allow Maori wards which would have guaranteed a Maori voice was heard at the council table.

    Arandar

    #1719555
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    paulinem

    Aranda sorry disagree re different ethnics in NZ, when ever I get the ethnic question I tick other and write New Zealander. I suspect there is a lot that agree with me, I am proud of my  New Zealanders as I believe we have a lot to be proud of in helping to make this world around us a better place to live in. I find it sad those who insist they are a seperate group, to be treated sas a separate group etc for   I look at individuals in this country not as Maori Pakaha Asian etc… I see them as another Kiwi like myself. I  watch the All Blacks  Black Ferns Black caps play, not as individual ethnic groups but as Kiwis whom make us proud to be New Zealanders

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