- #1696325arandarMemberMember since: November 23, 2009
Replies: 10503arandar September 22, 2018 at 12:58 pm
Is that right? Does the US have no social housing or community housing? I didn’t know that.
🌊Arandar🏄🏽♀️#1696333mommabear70 September 22, 2018 at 2:56 pm
Many on here are fans of a so-called living wage. They think that no one should be in business if they can’t pay the living wage.
I read where the Marlborough District Council has decided against a ‘living wage’ policy for staff, which would have bumped everyone up to at least $20.55 an hour.
The council said there were virtually no benefits to ratepayers and that the living wage was higher than the incomes received by many Marlborough ratepayers and residents.
Councils provide absolutely nothing to people owning properties. By that I mean services to the gate. Back in the day, they used to pick up rubbish bins but now everything is privatised.
So who thinks pensioners who own their own houses should have to move out of their houses and into their cars because they can’t afford exorbitant property taxes?
Those pensioners who own their own houses if they can’t pay the living wage?
Is it a fair suck of the sav that pensioners who own their own houses are forced to live on bread and water so Council staff get higher incomes than them?#1696335arandarMemberMember since: November 23, 2009
Replies: 10503arandar September 22, 2018 at 3:19 pm
Councils provide residents, owner occupiers and tenants alike, as well as local businesses with some or all of the following, in no particular order and off the top of my head; roads, footpaths, drinking and waste water management, rubbish collection (at least in the public areas) and waste management sites, sports facilities ie playing fields and swimming pools, street cleaning and maintenance, libraries, community halls, public parks, reserves, gardens and plantings, public events, they help fund volunteer community groups, pensioner housing, emergency management, animal & pest control, planning and regulation.
Pensioners receive their income from general taxation, Mommabear, and our communities can only exist because of our councils and our council workers.
Of course council workers should receive a living wage, all workers should.
🌊Arandar🏄🏽♀️#1696336mommabear70 September 22, 2018 at 3:36 pm
Aarndar, If you’ll just sift through that list for items that are ‘services to the gate’ please.
Perhaps you can explain to this old soul how Westpac Stadium is but one ‘service to the gate’.#1696337gabyoneMemberMember since: November 13, 2008
Replies: 2578gabyone September 22, 2018 at 3:41 pm
A pensioner or low income worker can also apply for a rates rebate which for a single person with under approx. $30,000 per annum income is over $600 . Since you think the council provides nothing for rates MB would it not be reasonable for them to pay a living wage to the staff ( even though they supposedly provide no service) Some very confused thinking MB.
Gabyone Auckland region#1696338mommabear70 September 22, 2018 at 3:44 pm
Arandar, duly noted that you approve of pensioners who own their own houses having to move out and into their cars because they can’t pay the living wage to people they don’t employ?
If this isn’t what you mean, then please do go on.#1696348CriticMemberMember since: June 6, 2011
Replies: 1134Critic September 22, 2018 at 4:54 pm
Most of the items mentioned like footpaths libraries etc etc were paid for by the ratepayers
“not the councils” so if the council
The ratepayers investments because they were too privileged to serve honestly in fiduciary relationships any longer or simply wanted to be in business instead of being a steward (without the consent of the ratepayers) by turning ratepayers investments into businesses with the intention of “dealing” with those investments by way of privatization then surely as business owners (by stealth) they can afford to pay a living wage out of the proceeds of that crime?
For those that do not like the idea of employees being paid a living wage… consider the amount of executives that are getting more than one living wage for possibly less than a forty hour week (Plus perks) wouldn’t it be better to just wait until their contracts come up for renewal and replace them with individuals that can do the same job (or better) cheaper in the “spirit of competition”.
So providing much of the revenue required to fund more living wages.
How many jobs or hours should be spent gaining a living wage? … should the workers just help themselves to others investments as the councils have done?
🙂#1696352mommabear70 September 22, 2018 at 5:07 pm
Right then Andrew Little, instead of locking up violent armed robbers in a secure prison, let’s ankle bracelet them and send them home.
That might work, yeah, nah.
Two days later this nasty piece of work threatens a bottle store’s sole employee with two kitchen knives, forcing the employee to hand him the till containing $260.
Next time this thug appears in Court all he has to do is plead guilty and out comes the wet bus ticket once again.
Perhaps twenty lashes of the cat might change behaviour.#1696354mommabear70 September 22, 2018 at 5:15 pm
But again, as I intended to add later, the roads, footpaths, in/out water etc were previously ‘owned’ and maintained by central govt with the Ministry of Works.
Just another case of ‘stolen goods’ already paid for through General Taxation, then ever so generously ‘given’ to Councils.#1696396CriticMemberMember since: June 6, 2011
Replies: 1134Critic September 22, 2018 at 6:23 pm
roads, footpaths, in/out water etc
If I put in a new subdivision I must provide all that in order to gain consent.
My costs are handed on to the folk that buy the sections (pocket handkerchiefs) on which to build and of course I add my capital gain which is not taxed
la la …
So the ratepayers pay for it really but -isn’t it madness that we elect the council.. so we effectively elect who is going to own stuff (we paid for) if they are no longer stewards
What sort of an idiot would do that? …
gpalmer setup? .. is he still in labour?
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