- #1687739Hero42 July 19, 2018 at 12:57 pm
There will always be gullible people in the world unfortunately.
There are also bots created to search on certain key names and post negatively against those people.
So those poorly written negative comments may have been automated or possibly they reflect the abilities of right wing supporters. Or both.
Cheers 🙂#1687740Hero42 July 19, 2018 at 1:02 pm
We are indeed but the difference is a private organisation will reap the benefits not the people. The people of gambling problems will actually suffer because of the deal.
That is of course not forgetting the project is running 6 months late with huge cost blowouts.
Cheers 🙂#1687755arandar July 19, 2018 at 2:23 pm
I thought the deal between the then National led govt and Sky City was that they’d build the convention center on what used to be RNZ land and the govt would allow them to double the number of police machines …
i might have that wrong but I’m sure someone will correct me if so.
Arandar#1687784Hero42 July 19, 2018 at 4:28 pm
Thank you for correcting my mistake.
I checked why I thought we were paying and discovered that under the 2013 deal the SkyCity casino operator agreed to build a $402m convention centre in return for concessions on its gambling licences, including more “pokies”.
But then in 2015 it said there was now a $70m to $130m shortfall in funding for the project and it was seeking a top-up from the Government, after submitting plans for a more expensive design than first agreed.
But then Prime Minister John Key said the SkyCity convention centre plan grew in both size and “flashness” until a public backlash persuaded the Government not to spend any more money on it.
It was the phrase any more money that confused me.
As part of the deal, the National Government spent $34 million over four years attracting international conferences, conventions and exhibitions, although that isn’t part of the centre itself.
Cheers 🙂#1687790arandar July 19, 2018 at 4:45 pm
Hope that info puts Ted’s mind at rest.
If there’s anything I despise it’s probably the poke machine or rather, I despise the con job their owners and lessees are doing on a gullible public.
millions of $$ are taken each month from vulnerable communities, a proportion of which is returned, most often to sports clubs actually but one or two other community groups which might not even need to apply for grants if the money that went into the pokies’ greedy maws had simply been circulating through the businesses and organisations in the community in the first place. I’m really glad there’s a sinking lid p9licy on the horrible things.
If anyone asks, I’m available to come and sit on the lid, to sink it faster.
Our club here had them, before our time, they got rid of them, and have banned them. No regerts!
Arandar#1687825arandar July 19, 2018 at 6:21 pm
we live in interesting times don’t we?
the latest idiocy from Trump, the increasing trade and aid incursions into the Pacific, increasing numbers of people made homeless and stateless by war and climate extremes; I’d say the capacity to exert force in our own defence is more necessary now than at any time since the end of the Cold War.
This is from a think piece, maybe an Aus or US professor I can’t remember now, was written in 2017 I think, and now, it’s widely agreed including by the Aussie Air Force, the C8s meet NZs needs and our allies’ preferences …
”…New Zealand is on the cusp of a force structure decision that will shape the capabilities of its airlift eet for decades to come. This is a profoundly important decision, since the transport aircraft chosen for the RNZAF will shape its ability to support the nation’s military, diplomatic, international engagement, regional leadership, domestic and international disaster relief, and scientific endeavors.
Air mobility force planning involves a calculus of many elements, including strategic constraints, budgetary priorities, expected operational roles, and risks. Strategic constraints—when where, and how New Zealand expects to employ its airlift forces—will shape their desirable scales and composition. Budgetary priorities will boundary the possible makeups of those forces.
Categories of expected operational roles include the airlift of military air and ground combat forces, logistical transportation of people and “piece” cargos, VIP transport, and medical evacuation. Risk assessments begin with visualisations of likely enemy threats, but also include such operational risks as limitations in available airfield infrastructures and the possibility that future requirements will exceed future capabilities…”
Labour is not and never has been anything but fiscally prudent and militarily practical – it’s also a very broad church.
Its a much less stable world now than it was. I for one would happily drop a grenade down the funnel of a whaler – after I’d ensured the crew and the ships cat were all safely off, ? of course.
And if submarines are sniffing about our coastline I’d want to know whose and why and be able to persuade them to push off if they’re not able to convince me they’re there for peaceful friendly reasons.
#1687888mommabear70MemberMember since: February 20, 2017
- This reply was modified 8 months, 1 week ago by arandar.
Replies: 1755mommabear70 July 20, 2018 at 12:40 pm
Whaleoil has a headline “The government’s lies over Waikeria are getting bigger and bigger”
The government, in announcing their down-sized prison at Waikeria, have variously blamed the previous government for costs associated with the contracts, that the plans were too huge, and there was no need for such a prison.
All those were lies. And yesterday we found out that Kelvin Davis, despite his big talking on prisons before the election and subsequently, actually went to cabinet recommending that the government continue with the plan of the previous government.
The fool was then overruled: Quote:
“Corrections Minister Kelvin Davis advised Cabinet to adopt the previous Government’s plan to build 1500 beds at Waikeria Prison because it was ‘the only sensible plan’, but his colleagues ignored his advice, National’s Corrections spokesperson David Bennett says.
“This makes the Government’s decision to slash the number of new beds at Waikeria Prison by 1000 all the more confusing and reeks of a Government that doesn’t know what it’s doing when comes to law and order, and is risking public safety as a result.
“Official advice released yesterday shows that this year New Zealand will be over 2300 prison beds short and by 2027 that number increases to more than 4500.
“In a December 2017 paper also released yesterday, Mr Davis advised Cabinet that in recognition of the forecast shortfall, maintaining National’s plan was the ‘only sensible plan of action’ and recommended the Government implement the plan we had in place.
“But his colleagues ignored him and just six months later the Government recklessly went ahead with its dangerous plan to downsize the Waikeria Prison build by 1000 beds.
“As a result our communities and our prisons and the staff in them are less safe. The decision not to build more prison beds is reckless and what’s worse the newly released papers confirm the Government’s reasons simply don’t stack up.
“A May 2018 paper says that large facilities, like the planned 1500-bed facility at Waikeria, are not only ‘the most efficient and cost-effective way to add quality capacity to the prison network’, but also allow a ‘full range of specialist facilities and rehabilitation programmes’.
“So not only was our plan better for taxpayers, but it would have meant better access to treatment and rehabilitation for prisoners to improve their chances of not reoffending.
“But in abandoning the previous Government’s sensible plans in favour of a much smaller prison, this Government is now faced with a shortage of more than 2300 beds this year.
“The Government must now explain to New Zealanders how it is going to pick and choose which of these criminals it will allow out into our communities.” End quote.
They’re building a smaller prison so they can advance their ‘catch and release’ justice policy.#1687890Hero42 July 20, 2018 at 12:51 pm
Mark Mitchell (National) says no one, not him, not Judith Collins either, will be trying to roll Mr Bridges before the 2020 election.
Guess they know they can’t win so want to wait until Simon steps down after the election and then they get a three year run at 2023.
Mark Mitchell is still hoping for the Green’s to align with National but unfortunately James Shaw is showing no sign of that saying He is very happy with the government we have now.
Cheers 🙂#1687891PhotoqueenMemberMember since: August 25, 2009
Replies: 321Photoqueen July 20, 2018 at 12:53 pm
Thanks for saying that was from whaleoil at the satart.
Saved me wasting my time reading it.
😎#1687892mommabear70MemberMember since: February 20, 2017
Replies: 1755mommabear70 July 20, 2018 at 12:55 pm
And another gem from the Number One News site Whaleoil-
Another dud judge: And this one thinks he’s funny.
The Labour party’s catch and release policy seems to be going great guns. Apparently, these two winners just aren’t bad enough for jail!
Two Waitara brothers, Matthew and Regan Coxhead, appeared before Judge Chris Sygrove in the New Plymouth District Court back in May 2018 each facing a raft of charges relating to a 79 kilometre Police chase involving two stolen utes, intentionally ramming Police vehicles, endangering transport, assault on Police, drug cultivation and theft of at least ten other motor vehicles valued at more than $75,000.
During that hearing, the judge gave the brothers a sentencing indication that they would be looking at two years jail time. The brothers accepted this and did the right thing by pleading guilty. They were remanded off until 18 July this year for sentencing.
The chase started after the two men had been seen in the two utes which they had stolen. They had been responsible it seems for the large increase in stolen utes being reported recently in the Taranaki area. During the chase, each brother rammed patrol cars, deliberately swerved at Police trying to make them crash, while driving at relatively high speeds, dangerously, in an attempt to evade capture. The men were finally caught after the tires of their last operating ute were spiked. Believe me, that is one long chase and the chances of a member of the public being killed was extremely high.
Once caught, a scuffle ensued and Matthew, the older of the siblings, choked the officer by pushing his arm across the officer’s throat, while trying to take the his taser from him. Fortunately the officer was able to get to his pepper spray and gave poor Matthew a face full of pizza topping, thus enabling the arrest to be made.
The drugs charges related to 48 cannabis plants plus nearly 3 kg of processed dope being located at their Waitara address. There was also the remnants of at least 10 stolen vehicles, totalling at least $75,000 value.
Now of all these charges, the charge of Endangering Transport is probably the most serious. It has a maximum prison time of 14 years, that’s right up there with kidnapping, home invasion and attempted murder.
So I imagine the Brothers Grim would have been pretty happy to be told they were only going to get a measly two years, considering they would only actually serve a third of that thanks to Labour’s soft on crime philosophy.
But on 18 July this year, they appeared before Judge Sygrove once again to hear their fate. This was where things went from the sublime to the ridiculous.
Imagine their surprise when the brothers heard the judge had taken pity on their poor wee selves. Matthew was instead only sentenced to 12 months home detention, disqualified from driving for 15 months and ordered to pay $1000 reparation. He narrowly avoided jail due to him being Regan’s caregiver. Because Regan is an epileptic!
Just how much caregiving does a 29-year-old epileptic need? I have known a few people who suffer from epilepsy. They all seem to manage reasonably well by themselves. They certainly don’t need a caregiver to look after them on a daily basis. I’m guessing here but I think if you are fit enough to ferret around the countryside stealing cars at will, you don’t need much in the way of care.
Poor wee Regan got off even lighter. He was given 12 months intensive supervision, six months community detention, disqualified from driving for 15 months and ordered to pay $1000 reparation.
So let’s look at those penalties. 12 months home detention, great, at least Matthew can still get the grow operation back up and running. He will need the income from supplying the drug so he can pay his $1000 reparation. He can also still carry on with his work in the stolen car racket, he just has to get his mates to drop the cars off for him to chop. Nothing like being able to work from home! And 15 months disqualification? Well you can’t drive while you’re on Home D so really he only gets 3 months off the road. At least he will have to resit his licence to get it back but gee, I don’t know, I’m guessing he probably won’t bother.
And for Regan, 12 months intensive supervision. That is code for ‘Nothing at all’. At least he gets to do 6 months of PD so maybe we’ll get a new walking track out of him or something. What’s the bet he has an episode every PD morning though? Plus 15 months disqualification for him too. Funny though, epileptics aren’t actually allowed to drive until they are certified fit free for two years. If he was legally driving before, may I suggest that he probably didn’t need a caregiver in the first place?
But Judge Sygrove also seems to think he is a bit of a jester. At Wednesday’s sentencing hearing he wittily opined that the brothers’ actions reminded him of the American comedy series, The Dukes of Hazard.
It was these two maniacs driving around America in orange Dodge Chargers and seem to always be escaping the law and banging into people.
You could be called the dukes of Waitara county.
Well congratulations Judge Chris Sygrove, you win the award for Whaleoil Dud Judge of the Week. These are not just a couple of ‘Good ole boys’, and the officers were not bumbling Roscoe P Coltrane wannabes. They were doing a difficult job, dealing with violent scum who were intent on doing serious harm to them. They put themselves in harm’s way to protect the public from these dangerous criminals, the least you could do would be to back them up and lock the bad guys away for a while, and the public expects no less.
Here’s hoping the prosecution successfully appeal the sentences as being manifestly inadequate, just like Sygrove’s sense of humour.
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