- #1738367arandar December 2, 2019 at 4:44 pm
Bryan, I wish we were mature enough to discuss politics or religion (and I recall the time when sex was on the Do Not Discuss List too) but apparently, we are not.
Hero, yes, Obama had the Democratic Party support. He was not without considerable support, financial and otherwise, from third parties and individuals. Much like here in NZ, progressives can and do mobilise a large number of volunteers willing to work for their candidate and party and that is worth many 00’s of 000’s of $$$.
As to whether it is our size and small population that is our ‘luck’ and whether that continues in the same vein I don’t know, but I am very glad we voted for MMP twenty plus years ago, and latterly, tried to ensure large ‘donations’ to politicians and parties were made public.
MMP has made our House of Representatives much more representative of our diverse population.
Limiting anonymous donations has given us a degree, (not nearly enough IMO) of insight and control of the influences brought to bear on politicians and parties.
Probably, again, IMO, only state funded elections would give us surety and hopefully that will come in time.
Arandar#1738378BryanMemberMember since: October 28, 2006
Replies: 12491Bryan December 2, 2019 at 5:03 pm
I think there are many people out there that will not agree with you that MMP was good thing but I am totally in agreement with on that point! For a party with the majority of the votes but still loose the election as has happened just isn’t a fair go.
At Home, At Peace and Causing Trouble In South Taranaki#1738381arandar December 2, 2019 at 5:11 pm
Ah, but majorities and largest numbers of votes are two different things under MMP, Bryan.
Unless a party gains 51% or more they don’t have a majority. Unless a party gains more than half the seats in our House of Reps they can’t govern.
What matters now is which party can pull together a group of parties who agree on enough policy and principles to form a government.
I know even now after all these years there are some who still yearn for FPP. It was a very flawed system I think that made it almost impossible for small, or new parties to get into Parliament and anyone who’d voted for a small, new party usually wasted their vote. Under MMP, no vote is wasted and I think that is much more democratic.
Arandar#1738392halcyonMemberMember since: May 4, 2014
Replies: 4964halcyon December 2, 2019 at 5:53 pm
I agree with you arandar. FFP was the death knell of small parties. I am old enough to remember when Bay of Islands returned Social Credit as their candidate. During that term of office all Government spending in the BoI dried up.
Coming in to the next election National promised about 5 years of future spending, and they provided it post election.
Where is Social Credit these days? And when was the last time they had a member in the house?
“If liberty means anything at all, it means the right to tell people what they do not want to hear.” (George Orwell, The Animal Farm)#1738395paulinemMemberMember since: July 8, 2006
Replies: 1073paulinem December 2, 2019 at 6:30 pm
Halycon Social Credit is still an active party today. Some years ago around the time the MMP vote took place it changed its name to Democratic party for social credit. It is now back to their original name and is actively getting members to rejuvinate the party back to the days of the past when at one election SC received 20,000 votes BUT as it was under FPP they only received two MPs in parliament.
Where will they be in 2020 election who knows it is not easy for a small party to get noticed these days, Maybe if there is a by election and one of their candidates get the seat ( this was how they got so know back in the 80s when the FPP campaign was to the for front which Social Credit was the instrument to get the referendum for a change to the vote for MMP. Sadly MMP also turned out to be their death knell as other parties under well known former National MP Winston Peters party began and took many votes away from Social Credit, BUT I assure you the party is still active and still dedicated to the cause to change the economic system to a more people needs first orientated economic system.#1738448Hero42MemberMember since: July 18, 2008
Replies: 12145Hero42 December 3, 2019 at 4:37 pm
I see public opinion is swinging back to support legalising personal cannabis use.
The latest survey of 1,199 adult New Zealanders shows support has risen to 48%, from 39% recorded in August when those against was higher at 47% which has now fallen to 38%.
Support in April was at 52%, while 12 months ago, in November 2018, it was at 60%.
Interesting who is supporting the referendum.
14% have no opinion
18 – 24 years: 61% for
25 – 34 years: 46% for
35 – 44 years: 54% for
45 – 54 years: 63% for
55 – 64 years: 54% for
65 – 74 years: 31% for
75yrs or over: 16% for
I wonder how support will track next year with the governments attempts to minimise misinformation.
Cheers 🙂#1738482phun83179MemberMember since: November 19, 2013
Replies: 34phun83179 December 4, 2019 at 11:02 am
I see both JK and HC support the moving of the port of Auckland to Whangarei (Northland).
Isn’t it interesting to note that neither of their Governments did anything worthwhile
for Northland when they were in power?
With the full upgrade of the railway to Northland, I think it is a no-brainer for an area that has been desperately in need of a hand-up. The Port of Auckland was unable to get a reclamation over the line, and the port area is getting more like a lifestyle/marina area every year, so a win-win!
phun83179#1738531phun83179MemberMember since: November 19, 2013
Replies: 34phun83179 December 5, 2019 at 2:49 pm
Looking at Hero’s figures you could say “the old and wise” are against legalisation! That would possibly reflect their experience in the matter. I have never had anything to do with cannabis or other more recent drugs of an illegal nature, but my observation of people I know who have (used) makes me quite sure I will vote against at the referendum. I drive for a living and also use my own car, and I am sure I don’t want someone stoned on cannabis (or any other mind-altering drug) on the same road as me. We have been slowly getting out the message not to drink alcohol and drive, the message we should now be pushing harder is
“no drink/ drug driving” with stronger enforcement. Why are we so far behind other countries on this, when the accident figures have proved for years that we need to? There must be votes in it at election time. (Sad to have to say that!). I could ramble on for longer on this, but that is my strongly held opinion and has been for decades.
phun83179#1738534arandar December 5, 2019 at 3:13 pm
I agree with you, Phun, 100% about driving while possibly impaired by any substance, legal or illegal. Zero tolerance.
However, that’s no reason to vote against harm minimisation, which legalising cannabis for adults personal use is, IMO.
People are using, dealing, driving, and endangering themselves and others now with drugs of every sort, synths, and alcohol.
Let’s regulate who may legally use cannabis, just like we do alcohol, control the product quality, licence retailers, and come down really hard on all those who break the law.
Arandar#1738542paulinemMemberMember since: July 8, 2006
Replies: 1073paulinem December 5, 2019 at 4:11 pm
Arandar dont you think we have enough problems with Alcohol abuse and mental health problems> Cannibis effects the brain ( Mental health ) I agree with Phun I will vote NO and will pass this message on to my friends and contacts.
Hero is on a fantasy trip that being legal the gangs will be out of drugs …in your dreams Hero as the gangs unlike a legal dealer wont be paying taxes or GST this means the gangs manufacture will be cheaper and possibly nastier than the legal manufacturer. Also whom controls the home grower not abusing the manufacturer of cannabis. The Police maybe again Hero in your dreams we dont have enough police at present to assure good law and order , let alone control the home growers from not abusing the drug.
But like most I am not against medical cannabis as long as it is grown under strict supervised govt control. That only a doctor or similar qualified person can prescribe the medical cannabis and the only place it can be brought is a pharmacy in the same way we get special health medicines today ie drugs stronger than an aspirin.
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