- #1737364dr-who November 17, 2019 at 11:40 am#1737365don021MemberMember since: May 15, 2012
Replies: 1830don021 November 17, 2019 at 12:03 pm
It is 40 years since the Mt. Erebus crash that killed all on board an Air New Zealand scenic flight to Antarctica, 257 people died because an Air N.Z. employee gave an incorrect course to the aircraft; yet no one was ever charged with an offence. It is time this terrible error of justice was corrected.The facts in Paul Holmes book should be widely publicised, and acted on.#1737401arandar November 17, 2019 at 5:51 pm
Dr Who, that makes for thought provoking reading – thank you. It adds greatly to the discussion and doesn’t antagonise or finger wag;
I’m time poor at the moment and have only got to P12/33 but it’s excellent so far.
Arandar#1737403dr-who November 17, 2019 at 7:41 pm
Thanks Arandar, I’ve been reading a bit of bio-ethics recently…now thinking of doing a few courses at uni next year (just for fun).#1737404arandar November 17, 2019 at 8:16 pm
Are you really, Dr Who? How interesting! Will you do extramural papers or a degree course on campus?
It’ll be a cracking good subject to get your teeth into, I should think. Medical and technological advances mean we must constantly question and assess the moral and ethical reasons for and results of what we’re doing.
I’ve read a bit too – came to it via my concerns about animal welfare and animal exploitation when I worked in a hospital lab for a while back in the day. Then continued to worry and read when I went farming. I’ve never studied it though.
I should have gone to Uni – got stuck in, studied, got a qualification – instead I married young, had a family, and worked. I love learning for learning’s sake but I never knew what I had to do with my life other than write. I’ve had so many jobs in god knows how many areas and because of that scatter gun approach to earning a living I’ve done any number of papers extramurally through Massey and the Open Polytechnic. Loved it.
Hope we get to hear and discuss some of what you learn Dr Who – that’ll make for some challenging posts I bet.
Arandar#1737407Hero42MemberMember since: July 18, 2008
Replies: 12145Hero42 November 18, 2019 at 1:10 pm
This is an area I have yet to make up my mind on.
I do find the attitudes western society holds interesting.
We have no problem waging war on our enemies, some of whom are only enemies because we want their land or resources, and inflicting death and suffering on them. In some countries capital punishment is still actively practiced.
Abortion is OK in many countries. I some countries it isn’t even if it means the mother could suffer or die
If someone chooses to go on hunger strike for a cause we won’t stop them even though if they are only taking water their end will be slow and agonizing.
Some people have no problem fighting against taking action on climate change even though it will inflict suffering and death on others in the future.
We talk about death with dignity and yet allow people to linger on with absolutely no dignity whatsoever in certain conditions.
Some people have a completely different attitude to the suffering of animals than they do to people.
Interestingly the bible, which formed a basis for our society in the past, does not condemn suicide.
In some cultures suicide was considered the honourable thing to do in certain circumstances.
I know we will get a lot of information over the next twelve months and I look forward to some interesting debates.
Cheers 🙂#1737413dr-who November 18, 2019 at 3:21 pm
I’ve been checking the courses at Auckland Uni…..just taking time to consider the best one.
I could do some post grad study but can’t really be bothered going that deeply at my age.
As I say, it’s just for fun not to sit up ’til all hours studying like mad.
Now I’m retired I have less time than I ever did before haha#1737414arandar November 18, 2019 at 3:31 pm
Ethics are fascinating, I reckon.
Your examples are entirely on point, Hero.
Is it unethical to go to war? Is it unethical to execute war criminals? Child abusers and killers? Mass murderers?
If it is unethical for a medical practitioner to assist someone determined to die, is it ethical for that medical practitioner to allow that person then to starve themselves to death? Which is not a pleasant way to die btw.
Arandar#1737415arandar November 18, 2019 at 3:42 pm
Dr Who, I know what you mean. We seem to have taken on much more than we meant to when we retired what with our voluntary work and our hobbies. And there’s no time or need for further formal study these days.
Living as we do in a 3generation house means there’s always something to do, something to talk about, things to learn, teens to enjoy, pets to exercise and care for … we won’t die of loneliness or boredom, that’s for sure.
Arandar#1737434halcyonMemberMember since: May 4, 2014
Replies: 4966halcyon November 18, 2019 at 5:58 pm
The other barrier in addition to time is the cost of doing papers at uni. But that need not be a barrier as there is an on-line service at http://www.futurelearn.com/. They provide numerous short courses run by various universities from all over the world. These courses can by taken without paying any fees. However, there is a reasonable charge if one wants a certificate of completion for the course. Examples are:
Introduction to Research Ethics: Working with People University of Leeds
Ethical Decision-Making in Care University of Surrey
Making Babies in the 21st Century UCL (University College London)
“If liberty means anything at all, it means the right to tell people what they do not want to hear.” (George Orwell, The Animal Farm)
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