- #1737045huiatahiMemberMember since: March 22, 2017
Replies: 1032huiatahi November 12, 2019 at 3:31 pm
Was talking too whanau in Brisbane…they were saying the smoke haze over the city is really bad
huiatahi#1737056paulinemMemberMember since: July 8, 2006
Replies: 1073paulinem November 12, 2019 at 5:10 pm
Huiatahi …I was talking to my brother today ( who lives in Western Southland 🙂 and quite safe down here hopefully ) He was saying they are very concerned for his daughter husband and family as they live in the Gold Coast and I gather this is close to a fire area.#1737091don021 November 13, 2019 at 12:29 pm
I just can’t imagine the feelings of the Australian people forced to flee their homes as the terrible fires race towards them,my thoughts and wishes go out to them with fervent hope they can make a life again. How do you start a new life when all your treasures and records are just ash?#1737154don021 November 14, 2019 at 10:57 am
So a bunch of do gooders are parading to oppose the euthanasia bill, what right have these mainly non oldies to try and decide the circumstances of the final time of life of elderly people? They have no idea of the feelings or comfort of suffering people who wish to choose their own end, finish suffering and die peacefully. To say there is medical relief for all suffering people is pure rubbish,in some cases yes, in many cases the suffering is mental and there is no cure for that.#1737155BryanMemberMember since: October 28, 2006
Replies: 12491Bryan November 14, 2019 at 11:06 am
The way they are carrying on you would think they want it to be compulsory! It’s really a choice for each person to make their own mind about. I know I don’t want to be a dribbling old vegetable in a home!
At Home, At Peace and Causing Trouble In South Taranaki#1737174don021 November 14, 2019 at 12:12 pm
Quite right Bryan, I don’t either. I have a very good friend, 98, and he just wants to die but has yto live on, unable to do anything but get in and out of bed with 24hour help.#1737189gabyoneMemberMember since: November 13, 2008
Replies: 2781gabyone November 14, 2019 at 3:33 pm
What sort of dignity is left when a person needs other people to attend to their every need including wiping bottom or is in constant pain. I support it being personal choice .
Gabyone Auckland region#1737190arandarMemberMember since: November 23, 2009
Replies: 10820arandar November 14, 2019 at 4:08 pm
I agree with all of you.
I want to end my life when I choose, if possible.
I have known people who’ve lived beyond what I’m starting to think of their Best By date; to a man and woman they were miserable.
One or two were desperately lonely, existing in their hospital beds without anyone who loved them anywhere near, friends gone before them, families living overseas, none were afraid of death but all were afraid of dying, of pain, helplessness, loneliness, loss of personal dignity and autonomy.
I recommend a book called Being Mortal by Atul Gawande (Illness, medicine and what matters in the end) to anyone interested in this subject. It is about how we’ve extended by medical interventions the process of dying far beyond the process of living.
IMO, it is absolutely vital that we ensure no one who doesn’t wish to control their own end is not coerced into doing so, and that we ensure no one not competent to decide for themselves is not eased quietly into the dark for reasons of ‘practicality’ or ‘cost’ or for the benefit of another. The usual laws applying to homicide would apply in such cases I expect.
But, again IMO, it is no one else’s business when I have had enough of this life and your beliefs and ethics have nothing to do with me. I won’t push you to die before your time and I’d appreciate your not pushing me to live longer than I can bear.
Arandar#1737192gabyoneMemberMember since: November 13, 2008
Replies: 2781gabyone November 14, 2019 at 6:31 pm
Arandar said : But, again IMO, it is no one else’s business when I have had enough of this life and your beliefs and ethics have nothing to do with me. I won’t push you to die before your time and I’d appreciate your not pushing me to live longer than I can bear.
My thoughts exactly Arandar.
Gabyone Auckland region#1737206paulinemMemberMember since: July 8, 2006
Replies: 1073paulinem November 14, 2019 at 10:30 pm
Gabyone Don and Bryan you do live in a fairy tale world at times, do you really think to legalize assisted suicide is a simple let the patient make their own choice ra ra. In your fairy tale world the weak and vulnerable pressured to die by invested interest dosen’t exist. But sadly you three they DO EXIST!!
Its why 1200 doctors signed a letter of NO to euthanasia and assisted Suicide. Its why the hospice assn was totally apposed to this ghastly Seymours legislation . Unfortunately last night sadly 69 non medical expertise NZ politicians decided they knew best and voted to approve this assisted suicide/ euthanasia legislation
Sadly overseas experience is that as killer doctors become blaze to the killing of the sick and vulnerable that also ACCIDENTAL the killing of wrong patients has occurred. Or there has been cases where the killer doctor ignores a patient wishes ( whom changed their mind not to be helped to die,) and the killer doctor killed them anyway on the pretext that this later patient was having mental problems and was to be ignored.
YES these blaze accident killings have occurred as overseas experience comes to light including comment below…. I did have a picture of the guy who made the comment below as well but cannot seem to copy it into this comment page.
Henry Marsh a renowned British Neurosurgeon and supporter of Euthanasia commented ” They argue that Grannies will be made to commit suicide. Even if a few get bullied into it, isn’t that the price worth paying for all the people who could die with dignity !!!!
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