- #284869pearlyMemberMember since: July 30, 2006
Replies: 2475pearly May 12, 2008 at 9:28 am
havnt listened to the news yet ,but there will be something to add here soon..cheers pearly#284871pearlyMemberMember since: July 30, 2006
Replies: 2475pearly May 12, 2008 at 9:32 am
Fern 10 May 2008 6:47pm #25
Member since 26 Sep 2006
Member from New Plymouth
That 88 year old widow incident happened very close to home for me…..just around the corner in fact. I can’t imagine anything worse than being old and frail and at the mercy of someone like that. She’ll never feel secure and safe again, and for that alone he should be shot for what he’s put her through. I can see why they do it…..they know a lot of elderly people are suspicious of banks and the like and keep their money in their homes, and I guess they see it as easy pickings for their drug habit or other vices….makes me sick to my stomach. I’m just so glad they caught the creep and I hope they throw the book at him.
pearly 10 May 2008 7:19pm #26
Member since 30 Jul 2006
Member from Omokoroa
scarey alright Fern ,scareier when its close to your living place as well.
why an 88 year old i ask ?
cant imagine she will want to live by herself again.
i understand how people still live on their own at that age,not all are ready for rest home care.poor old mum was at home for ages by herself,and i always worried about people knocking on the door etc.
glad they have got someone for that,but wonder what he will get ,in this day and age system.we really do need to toughen up our laws.
edit comment | delete comment Fern 10 May 2008 9:35pm #27
Member since 26 Sep 2006
Member from New Plymouth
Well pearly, knowing how pathetic our judicial system is, no doubt he’ll be doing the same thing again in no time at all. As my hubby’s always saying, remove the word ‘maximum’ from our sentences and replace it with ‘minimum’. He might be onto something there!
It makes me so mad when people have to leave their homes because of this sort of thing. We should be able to live there as long as we like, and only leave when we’re good and ready and not be forced out because we become vulnerable to this sort of crime. Honestly, it makes me see red!
Bryan 10 May 2008 10:01pm #28
Member since 28 Oct 2006
Member from Eltham
You’re not on your own there. As well as minimum sentences the law should be changed to stop early releases. When the judge says 8 years it should MEAN if you behave you get out in 8 years, but if you play up and misbehave you have some added!
Punishment should MEAN punishment!
21-4 11 May 2008 11:08pm #29
Member since 09 Dec 2006
Member from Te Awamutu
I agree. And they MUST stop prisons from resembling five star hotels. I know you agrere on this Bryan. Basic food. Basic medical care, and charged to their account, not the taxpayer. B asic clothing, clearly marked as prison wear. No tv or other entertainment. Limited visitations. And HARD labour. Maybe even as chain gangs, cleaning up the country side, picking up rubbish.
Bryan 12 May 2008 7:56am #30
Member since 28 Oct 2006
Member from Eltham
Yep I’ll go along with that. I remember when I was in the Navy Reserve, I was on HMNZS Lauchlan training, one of the regular force ratings went adrift (AWOL) for 2 days. He was sent to Ardmore for 2 weeks. He spent his time moving a pile of sand from one end of the parade ground to the other with the aid of a shovel and wheelbarrow. Each time the area was to be swept clean before moving it all back again. He reckoned it wasn’t the work that got to him but the fact there was no purpose to it all. He said afterwards there was no way he was going to do ANYTHING that was likely to put him back there again!#284873MonaMemberMember since: February 2, 2007
Replies: 10019Mona May 12, 2008 at 10:24 am
And to add insult to injury,there is to be a brand spanking new Prison addition to be built in Auckland.Undoubtedly it will have all the mod cons.Under floor heating,huge TV screens,flash up to date,fully self contained cells.The powers that be will not stop building these prisons,as they are trying to outdo one another.Crime seems to pay,in this part of the world.#284875belladonnaBlockedMember since: June 29, 2006
Replies: 14098belladonna May 12, 2008 at 1:34 pm
Five star hotels? Really – so which hotels require their guests to stay in a small room for most of the day? Granted,these rooms DO have an en suite – although they completely lack a door & most of the walls. There’s no room service & no choice of menu either.#284877leminMemberMember since: June 2, 2007
Replies: 3556lemin May 12, 2008 at 5:03 pm
Belladonna I think it’s Bryan that points out that the prisoners are all volunteers.
Love that term#284879joybelMemberMember since: November 2, 2006
Replies: 33295joybel May 12, 2008 at 5:35 pm
There sure is a lot of expert advice on crime and punishment in this thread. I am assuming that what is being said about the comfortable lives these criminals are enjoying. can be verified, because I have no idea of what is correct and what is wishful thinking.
My concern is that maximum sentences be applied with no mention of parole at sentencing, be made. That the courts are given more power to impose natural life in the case of murder no matter whether the victim ran into the knife on purpose or was brutally beaten by a drug crazed murderer.
As Bryan says drugs are taken vouluntarily and should not be presented to the court as an excuse. The mental health of a the prisoner should be ascertained after sentencing. All murderers should be given Dr. Deaths book on sucicide and every help be given to kill themselves by a plastic bag being hung behind the door of his or her cell. Seriously, our concerns should be taken to the political candidates at the coming elections. “Those whom the Gods destroy they first make mad” There is a lot of insanity in NZ I think and they are all roaming free.#284881OldJackMemberMember since: December 19, 2006
Replies: 6288OldJack May 12, 2008 at 10:21 pm
Joybel, I assure you that even our worst prison is a hellava lot better than the homes that a lot of these low lifes live in. I have seen inside both.
Well if someone is found guilty of a crime and he gets out before the maximum term of the sentence, and if he commits another offence withing that period, the persom who let him out, whether it was a judge with a shorter than maximum sentence, or a parole board, they too should be charged as an accomplice because if the criminal was still inside he could not have committed the second offence.
I think judges would be giving longer sentences and less crims would be getting parole.#284883chris214BlockedMember since: December 9, 2006
Replies: 6074chris214 May 13, 2008 at 10:25 pm
Joybel, really, you are getting quite realistically tough in your old age. Keep it up. I like it. Re your query ” can it be verified about the comfortable lives “inside” for prisoners ” I knew a couple when I was on the P.E.P. scheme, and yes, even in 1984 they were quite comfortable about being inside. One in particular, would go and do something stupid just to go back in. Just for the hell of it.
And Old Jack, I have said exactly the same about holding the parole board accountable for what the released prisoners get up to. In the case of that guy down Wellington, the name escapes me, who went on the rampage, the board should have been locked up qwith him when the police got him.#284885OldJackMemberMember since: December 19, 2006
Replies: 6288OldJack May 13, 2008 at 10:43 pm
Too bloody right.
A good case was a number of years ago now, a joker called Horton if I remember right.
He went in for a life sentence for rape and murder. When he got out he did the same thing again and got another life sentence. He again was released and did the same thing again so had three life sentences. In the states he would have probably gotten two on the first occassion, one for the rape and the other for the murder, and if he wasn’t fried he would never been out to do the second offence.
Now if anyone ever needs a good example why we should have the death penalty that joker would be it. Had he hung he would have lost his life but two women would have had their lives saved and not have had to got through the shocking thing of being raped.
Say no more.#284887joybelMemberMember since: November 2, 2006
Replies: 33295joybel May 14, 2008 at 4:29 pm
Went on vacation last week from Friday the 2nd until Mothers day. I went to Alabama to see my family. Let me share with you how that trip went…… OK.. We drove in Friday night because mom wanted us to be there Sat morning so that we could go to yard sales. Sat morning we get up, it’s pouring down rain, but we still went. I was following my uncle and aunt but when we came to a 4 way stop… I had about 5 cars between us. When I finally seen my uncles truck I punched the gas to catch up with him. I guess I was doing about 50 when low and behold a SPEED TABLE was planted right in the middle of the road! Yes… I hit it wide open! My bf’s head hit the ceiling!. Thank God I just dented the oil pan. (I think)??? Then Monday we went to Mississippi bc my parents have a house there. My dad had 41 eggs in an incubator ready to hatch. I was up all night looking for baby chicks! The next day there was a little banny egg that was trying to hatch but bless his heart, he could get through his shell so we done a c-section. He was so pitiful. My dad and bf said he wasnt gonna make it. They was plotting his funeral! I got so upset that I named him Chicken Little. Well, Chicken Little made it! All he needed was TLC! The next day my mom and dad went to Tupelo and we stayed behind. I had went to check on Chicken Little, which was in the barn. The cows were close to the gate so I had to shut it and fasten the latch. When I reached around to grab the latch…. the electric fence bit me! I had 120 volts go through my body!! I screamed to the top of my lungs! It stunned me so bad that I had to sit there for a while. THEN… my bf decided that he wanted to go fishing. He seen a boat and got the bright idea that he wanted to be romantic and go out in the boat on the pond. He goes and gets the boat and puts it in the water. I put the polls in and then I get in. He didnt give me enuff time to sit down b4 he pushed the boat! Yea you can guess what happened then. The boat went one way and I went the other way! I had mud in every creep and crevice on my body. He was laughing so hard he couldnt even help me up. I was marred up to my neck in mud! He finally stopped laughing long enuff to get me out. The next morning mom woke us up and said a tornado was coming our way and we had to get to the storm shelter. We went outside and watched it go past us over the field and it hit tupelo, MS. Tupelo is about 5 miles from us. Well anytime MS has tornados they always hit AL next so we decided we had better go home bc my 92 year old grandmother was worried about us. We got back to AL and was in the house and a big storm came. We heard a loud sound and just knew lighting had hit something. The cable went out so I figured it hit the satellite. It was pouring down rain so we stayed put. About 15 minutes later we went on the back porch to smoke and see if we could see what happened. I looked to my left and thought "Man that fog looks thick" Then I realized it was SMOKE! We went running through the house and outside and my moms shed was on fire! I turned the water hose on and when my bf went to open the door, flames shot out everywhere! I told mom to call 911 bc it was right next to the house! 3 minutes later, 12-15 fire trucks pulled up. They finally got the fire out but nothing was saved. All of mine and my brothers baby pictures were in there, 2 sewing machines, all of moms records from her business, autographed pictures from Bear Bryant and Gene Stallings, all of my child hood baby dolls and Lord only knows what else. All gone. Next thing I know, theres the news crew! Now Im in my pjs, no bra, no shoes, hair in pony tail, no make up and soak and wet and he wants to interview me! I tried to get out of it but eventually gave in. Now I got my 15 mins of fame! Sat night was bad bc we had more storms coming through but since we didnt have tv, we couldnt see where they were exactly. We have a weather radio and it went off all freaking night long! We came back to home yesterday. I made it alive but just thought I would share my eventful vacation with you all!
My daughter sent this from Iowa. It was on her local forum. A great Mothers day week-end!!!
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