- #1725789kaiapoiken July 22, 2019 at 5:34 pm
Can somebody please explain to me why military style firearms are needed. I am still confused. Is it a Macho thing? If you are such a poor shot that you need this type of weapon then you shouldn’t have a weapon at all. Besmirching the issue by bringing in the Muslim/Christian conflicts is just a smokescreen. That is not what this thread is about IMHO. Some of us would agree that there is an imbalance but, would you not agree that this is not what it’s about. Sure, it might have been the catalyst but the question of religious differences is still not relevant.
#1725793arandarMemberMember since: November 23, 2009
- This reply was modified 4 months, 3 weeks ago by kaiapoiken.
Replies: 10818arandar July 22, 2019 at 6:16 pm
Well said, Ken.
Semiautomatic military style firearms are designed and intended to kill as many human beings in a short a time as possible is the point. Anything else is simply not necessary
And who needs and should have access to such weapons in this country is the point of the law change and of this thread
IMO, only the Defence Force and the NZ Police should have them. If people want to use these firearms, join one or the other.
Arandar#1725799kaiapoiken July 22, 2019 at 7:03 pm
Yes Arandar there is no need for them. My father, who was an excellent shot and had quite a number of trophys, only had a .303 and a .22 rifle. Sure he didn’t have a lot of option in his day but his philosophy was “If you don’t think you can hit it with one shot don’t fire”.
I will concede that the problem of gang access to weapons is a problem that has to be dealt with but that shouldn’t be an excuse for the average “Joe Public” to have them.#1725818gbly86290MemberMember since: December 17, 2014
Replies: 44gbly86290 July 22, 2019 at 8:22 pm
And how many members of the so called “joe public” commit firearme offences. Very few, so leave it to the criminals, who seldom worry about the niceties of such things as lincenses, and what do you have, a dis-armed society, except for govt agencies and criminals. Fertile grounds for the budding dictator, and don’t think “it can’t here” because when you provide the grounds suitable for arisibg, they usually do.#1725823gbly86290MemberMember since: December 17, 2014
Replies: 44gbly86290 July 22, 2019 at 8:32 pm
Ever considered Switzerland? All males have to do military service, but they get to keep their guns, so what you baically have there is an armed population. How many gun related offences commited in Switzerland? My guess is very few, and the weapons they get to keep will be military type automatic human killers! Just another knee jerk reaction to the illegal rampage of a Ozzie demented nutter#1725828arandarMemberMember since: November 23, 2009
Replies: 10818arandar July 22, 2019 at 8:50 pm
I am pretty sure NZ, faced with this dictator or an oppressive government, both really unlikely since we have one House of Parliament, a very short electoral cycle and an MMP electoral system, will simply resort to civil disorder and the ballot box not to our guns.
But given the number of legal firearms in the country in the possession of licensed firearms owners, should push ever come to shove, I guess we could take up our arms in defence of our democracy.
Edit. P S. Gangs have firearms. Either they are legal or they’re not. If they’re not they were obtained either by illegal purchase from someone who shouldn’t have sold them to a gangster, or they’ve been stolen, from insecure storage which shouldn’t be possible. Either way, they shouldn’t have them and the police should first encourage them to hand them in under this amnesty or do everything they can to disarm them no matter how long it takes.
#1725831kaiapoiken July 22, 2019 at 10:39 pm
- This reply was modified 4 months, 2 weeks ago by arandar.
A rather peurile argument using Switzerland as an example and talking “Dictatorship”. It smells a bit like “NRA” to me. I agree with you Arandar that our current political system, with all its faults, will ensure that that would be very unlikely to happen. The answer may be to increase the penalties for possessing an unlawful type of firearm, reinstate the license system and require those wishing to purchase a firearm to have justification for having one.#1725835paulinemMemberMember since: July 8, 2006
Replies: 1072paulinem July 23, 2019 at 7:23 am
My husband was shocked to hear the changes suggested this week re gun control. He was shocked as when he applied for a gun license many years ago when he was a young man to go shooting ducks with a shot gun these proposed changes re police checks ownership register of guns WERE the law back then of gun control.
The question needs to be asked WHEN were the gun ownership laws changed when were the gun laws so horrifically loosen and how come the public were not informed of the loosen of these ownership laws of guns as most like my husband and myself were mistaken in thinking we still had very strict gun ownership and control laws in NZ.#1733119TedEMemberMember since: May 6, 2006
Replies: 2279TedE September 26, 2019 at 9:27 pm
it will be interesting to see what happens now that the circuit for mass hand ins has been completed and the purchases on totalled $45million. that really surprised me cos I understood that the import register was over 100,000 in the past couple of years.
Are some of the gun owners hanging onto them in the hopes that there will be a back down or changes to the legislation? Or does it indicate that the imbalance is because many firearms are in the hands of unregistered owners?
Whatever happens i hope that there is no back down and that beyond the cutoff date for relinquishing them is passed that whenever such an banned firearm is found the holder is prosecutes with harsh penalties imposed right at the outset.
As regards to the legislation for the registration of owners it is in everybodies interests that each firearm is registered to each licensed owner and that they continue to be fit and proper license holders as we need to be to hold a drivers license and car owner. The change of ownership criteria needs to be better than that applicable to vehicle ownership.
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