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Global Warming – what are we doing?

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  • #1714553
    Profile photo of mommabear70mommabear70
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    mommabear70

    Bryan, the poor wee darlings of today couldn’t possibly survive without their mobiles. It goes without saying every single one of them at the strike venues would be eyes down tap tapping checking their facebook, twitter, instagrams and goodness knows what other app programs they must all possess constantly.

    Yes these devices are great. We have an old iphone 4 but it serves it’s purpose – to be used in emergencies – operates on a pay as you go plan which for us amounts to about $20 a year. Kids would chew through that and more every month.

    In 2016, the number of smartphones sold to consumers stood at around 1.5 billion units.
    You need fossil fuels to manufacture (and ship) these things plus a great deal of precious metals that need to be dug up.

    So come on all you virtue signalling school children – walk the talk.
    Immediately stop using everything associated with fossil fuels and that includes all forms of transport including your bikes.

    #1714563
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    TedE

    For more than thirty years we have been warned of the threat posed by excess carbon in our atmosphere. We have been talking about it but only limited actions have been taken which are insufficient to avert disaster for the mammalian species. We continue to talk and take minimal action while we do have the technological wherewithall to change the course but seem very reluctant to change what we do by even minor steps.

    Greta Thurnberg first name to my attention in late December and i talked about her posts with my Grandchildren at that time an then posted her speech to the Davos summit at 1708841 on 27 January. That speech is worth listening to but generated much backlash against her which she has since rebutted in a very reasoned way. Many of her speeches are now a matter of record on social media like Youtube and Ted Talks but the important thing is that she is taking personal action and has persuded many to follow her lead, including her parents and sister.

    Some of her coverage is on this thread and at posts 1708841 27/1/19; 1709756 1/2/19; 1710249 5/2/19; and 1710307 6/2/19; if you wish to understand the reasoning behind the SS4C (student Strike for Climate).

    I feel that one of the important points she makes si based on Climate Justice, which is lso the main thrust of the “Mothers of Invention”. The I’m alright Jack approach of most of our politicians is no longer acceptable and action should now be imperative for us all not just our grandchildren.

    I would be interested to know if you are talking to your grandchildren about this topic and what they are saying?

    TedE - Papakura -

    #1714564
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    lilith7

    I think the fact that these are kids of the 21st century who use 21st century tools (as indeed most people now do) completely fails to negate in any way,the effort they’re making.

    Theirs may well be the generation which ( for example,since critics seem fixated on it )  may come up with another form of cellphone, something which at this stage we can’t even imagine.

    After all, it is their generation which has the greatest motivation to fix the mess we’ve made of the planet. Despite big oil & their shills, & others.

    #1714565
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    TedE

    Some of these young people expain why they are striking;

    ‘If we don’t stand up, who will?’ The faces of Auckland’s climate strike

    TedE - Papakura -

    #1714592
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    TedE

    Greta Thurnberg first name to my attention in late December and i talked about her posts with my Grandchildren at that time an then posted her speech to the Davos summit at 1708841 on 27 January. That speech is worth listening to but generated much backlash against her which she has since rebutted in a very reasoned way. Many of her speeches are now a matter of record on social media like Youtube and Ted Talks but the important thing is that she is taking personal action and has persuded many to follow her lead, including her parents and sister.

    Some of her coverage is on this thread and at posts 1708841 27/1/19; 1709756 1/2/19; 1710249 5/2/19; and 1710307 6/2/19; if you wish to understand the reasoning behind the SS4C (student Strike for Climate).

    I feel that one of the important points she makes si based on Climate Justice, which is lso the main thrust of the “Mothers of Invention”. The I’m alright Jack approach of most of our politicians is no longer acceptable and action should now be imperative for us all not just our grandchildren.

    I would be interested to know if you are talking to your grandchildren about this topic and what they are saying?

    TedE - Papakura -

    #1714653
    Profile photo of mommabear70mommabear70
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    mommabear70

    TedE, “For more than thirty years we have been warned of the threat posed by excess carbon in our atmosphere”

    For decades we’ve seen and heard about all sorts of ‘warnings.’
    Why? Because there’s money to be made and to make that money people need to be scammed and also there’s the End Plan to consider.

    As you know, this Greta Thurnberg is a 16 year old Swedish climate activist.
    Nothing like sucking them in at such a young age.
    Pop recalls reading about Lydia Ko, now famous NZ golfer. Her parents got her into golf when she was four. She’s doing well now but we wonder of the point when childhood is lost. Perhaps the parents had no childhood, as we know it, either.

    You say Greta’s taking personal action and has persuaded many to follow her lead, including her parents and sister.

    From what I’ve read, this personal action amounts to train travel replacing air travel and a vegan diet.
    “Air travel is out except for emergencies” she says.
    What type of emergencies does a 16 year have?
    How come a 16 year old is travelling so much at all when she should be in school?
    Fortunately the technology we have today means she could do all her virtue signalling via video links from home.
    Why I have to wonder is she not insisting on that already?
    I can’t find anything her parents’ personal action amounts to apart from switching to vegan food.

    This Swedish climate activist took a train that was made from fossil fuels, to get to Davos.
    What’s the point of telling others what to do when you’re not doing it yourself?

    That spinoff story with the headline “‘If we don’t stand up, who will?’ The faces of Auckland’s climate strike”
    More young people ‘demanding’ action.
    Lots and lots of statements around what others should be doing.
    Standing up are they? I don’t think so.

    In all honesty TedE, it’s a load of old cobblers.
    Not one of those pictured are saying what they’re personally changing in their lives.

    Then we have our Climate Change Minister James Shaw flat out on business class air travel big time. Yup, everyone else must change but not him. Obviously no video conferences for him either.

    It’s interesting TedE you’ve included ‘The I’m alright Jack approach of most of our politicians is no longer acceptable and action should now be imperative for us all not just our grandchildren.”
    But let’s take a step back. Politicians aren’t responsible for your pollution, school children’s pollution or parents‘ pollution.
    What is not acceptable is to blame others for your pollution.

    We’ve had the odd chat with our grandchildren but they’re busy busy.
    They know only too well our stance on the planet warming scam.
    We’ve advised them to keep in mind the teaching methods of today on certain subjects amount to brainwashing.
    A while back Pop asked them could they imagine that mountain not far from them having no snow on it. I think they’re still laughing.
    But who knows? At one time the mountain itself never existed.
    Their parents are busy busy too, trying to scratch a living, pretending they’re ‘green’ while airport hopping.

    #1714661
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    Hero42

    Remember the days when we protested against nuclear weapons and the older generation all criticised us because ti would allow the communists to take over the world.

    Or when we protested against apartheid and the older generation criticised us because it would spell the end of western civilisation.

    Needless to say those predictions have been proved wrong and the protesters of today will win out because if they don’t they won’t have a decent world to love in.

    All the youth who I spoke to in Wellington at and after the protest said they were taking measures to reduce their carbon footprint.

    Perhaps some of us older folks should learn from them instead of criticising them without first asking what they are doing about the issue.

    Cheers 🙂

    #1714667
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    mommabear70

    A wee look at how to become a Climate Scientist.

    Remember how when you were a child you could ‘pretend’ to be a doctor or a nurse? Well, now you can pretend to be a scientist in real life. Imagine being able to be introduced as a ‘scientist.’ That sounds so much better than a call centre support officer doesn’t it?

    Since the invention of ‘Climate Science,’ you now have the opportunity to pretend to be a scientist without having all those annoying constraints that real scientists have. Most real scientists go through their lives having to do boring stuff like proving ‘scientifically’ that a theory is right. This can take months of hard work researching and refining your theories only to have the evidence prove your theory wrong. For every glorious discovery by a Curie there are thousands of failures. Imagine never having to show you were wrong. A world where you decide beforehand what the results will be and then massage your findings to fit them. Wouldn’t that be wonderful ?

    Welcome to the glorious world of ‘Climate Science’. The career opportunities are enormous. The talented workers in this field ensured its future as soon as they invented the phrase ‘Climate Science’. Well meaning journalists soon discovered that reporting doom laden forecasts about the future of the world sold lots of newspapers. CSers, (we’ll call them that from now on), employed the world of Computer Science to generate ever more complex computer models to forecast the inevitable Armageddon facing mankind. Being an arcane Science in its own right there were few who would doubt or question the veracity of the computer forecasts. Politicians pricked up their ears and realised they had been presented with a unique vote catching opportunity. In concert with academia, governments flocked to provide funding to newly created Climatology departments.

    As the results of the research came in and the prospect of Armageddon receded even further CSers were faced with a conundrum, whether to come clean and reveal they were wrong, or adjust the figures to match more closely what they knew in their hearts should be the result.

    Initially, the figures were adjusted but then the shortcomings became so obvious they could no longer do that. The CSers held their breath and lo and behold it didn’t matter. They had generated so much hysteria that people were no longer concerned if the figures were patently wrong. They needed to do a bit of adjustment to make sure that their computer models were still in people’s minds in case they thought the CSers were inventing them but that was all.

    Secure in their sinecured academic positions the CSers emboldened themselves. International conferences were established to provide CSers and their followers with opportunities to visit glamorous locations all funded by sympathetic governments and from then on, Climate Science became an industry. With powerful connections any dissenters could be derided and silenced. Many real scientists were cast into the abyss of unemployment with besmirched characters. Governments found that the populace were happy to be led to believe whatever the CSers decreed.

    Unfortunately, some of the politicians didn’t realise that Climate Science was an invention and started to treat it as real science. Much like Scientology and other philosophies that do not stand examination, Climate Science contains a number of commitments that the adherents must accept. These include a mantra to reduce Carbon Dioxide and to reduce the use of Fossil Fuels.

    One of the countries who adopted this mantra in blissful ignorance was New Zealand. A naïve and inexperienced government decreed an end to Fossil Fuel exploration which led to a panic in the exploration industry. As no research had been done beforehand the government was unaware that they had previously cancelled most of the projects that could provide alternative energy sources such as hydro power. Eventually there will be a day of reckoning but that seems to be well in the future.

    So in the meantime make Climate Science a career! You will never have to do any research that you have to prove. When you publish papers they will be peer-reviewed by fellow CSers so you will never have to worry about the accuracy of results.

    You will get to play with really powerful computers. Forget that gaming PC. You can now use the power of supercomputers to produce any scenario to your heart’s content.
    You will get to invent new words such as ‘anthropomorphic’. This sounds so much better than ‘man made change’ doesn’t it? A mysterious term always makes your discipline sound so much more arcane and challenging.

    As you progress you may have to invent new terms to explain what you do. At one time you would have used the term ‘Global Warming’ but when warming didn’t take place CSers invented the term ‘Climate Change’. That covers any eventuality even if the climate cools down.
    You will get to attend serious conferences with seriously good social events all at no personal cost. You will get the respect and kudos of the populace. In a previous age you would have been a priest. Once religion used to be viewed similarly to Climate Science. Your job is guaranteed for life. No academic institution would dare force you out providing that you toe the Climate Science line. Government funding is assured.

    So what are you waiting for? The ever-expanding range of courses available ensures you can work almost anywhere in the world, provided they have an enlightened government of Climate Science believers.

    Naturally real scientists need not apply.

    Ideally you would become a climate scientist in Africa to qualify for the travel perks. For the last climate conference in Poland, Guinea sent 406 delegates, Democratic Republic of Congo sent 237 and Ivory Coast sent 208. Total attendance was 22,771.
    If that doesn’t scream money-wasting rort, then you really do have the attributes to be a climate scientist.

    I’d dearly love to see one of these incredible scale “models” of Earth’s Climate in action. It seems to me that by “climate model”, they mean an excel spreadsheet to punch in their invented figures, and a felt pen to later alter the output, because the graph still didn’t look right.

    #1714669
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    mommabear70

    And a bit more after dinner light reading from someone who seems to know what they’re talking about-

    “The most disturbing feature of this whole climate hysteria – apart from the underlying motivation to force us into a ‘one world’ UN managed state – is that the nonsense would be obvious if only the history of the natural world was being taught. I can only conclude that it is no longer a component of any school or university teaching, and that books on the subject are no longer read as part of one’s learning. It doesn’t take much to make a mockery of the notion that man has altered the climate (and thus can reverse those changes). Here are some of the simple things I learned as a youngster – as no doubt did anyone over 50-60.

    – the polar ice cap once extended as far south as the middle US and Britain.
    – the fjords of Scandinavia were created by glacial movement
    – the Great Lakes are of glacial origin
    – it was so cold in winter in Europe that people skated on the Thames and even used the frozen river as a venue for festivals
    – the magnetic poles have flipped a number of time over the life of the earth
    – the equator has moved in association with polar shifts
    – tectonic plate movement (continental drift) has altered the placement of land masses; South America and Africa were once joined.
    – it was once possible to walk from Britain to Europe and from the islands of Indonesia to Australia
    – the Sahara was once green and arable
    – there are coal deposits in Antarctica, which at one time had a climate that supported beech and conifer
    – coastal areas around land masses are constantly changing through erosion and accretion

    I could go on. The point I want to reinforce is that it appears none of this is familiar to today’s young – and I suspect that includes many under 30-40. I had a look at the syllabuses of a few good schools and found almost no reference to natural sciences beyond the usual biology topics. What mention of climate I could see was focussed on climate change and man’s role in that.

    It would be an interesting exercise to ask your kids what they know of the points I listed.

    Man-made climate change is a nonsense and will be shown to be so in 50 years when all the dire predictions fail to come to pass. But we will not be around to say ‘told you so’. It has gained so much prominence because today’s young have a knowledge timeline extending one back to the birth of the internet …

    (And I won’t go into the total lack of knowledge about the growth,
    spread and demise of empires and civilisations. How many kids know that
    the Moors conquered much of Spain and Portugal in the 8th century and
    ruled until the 15th. Or the extent of the Mongol and Ottoman empires?)”

    ********

    TedE
    Next time you have time to chat with your grandchildren perhaps you’d like to ask them what knowledge they have on the bullet points above.
    Then perhaps follow up with 8th to 15th century history.

    You could even go as far as visiting your grandchildrens’ schools and enquire whether they cover the natural world sciences beyond the usual biology topics plus exactly what are they teaching about Earth’s climate.

    #1714673
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    paulinem

    It was so wonderful to see our youth stand up for  the damage been done to our environment with Climate  change as they correctly said the polluting of the environment by coal and oil is damaging their future and their children’s future. We hear so much negativity as to SOME  young been  overly self interested in their own lives etc.

    Fridays march  by students was a marvelous inspiration for us grown ups , by these young people.

    It gives us hope for a better future as these young people will be the leaders of our country   into the  future.

    Keep it up our young  keep on demanding change by the oil and coal polluting promoters  which have and are  damaging our climate now . The young correctly realize to many innocence individuals are suffering now due to our global climate  problems.

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