- #1680848joybelMemberMember since: November 2, 2006
Replies: 33300joybel May 19, 2018 at 11:04 am
Good luck with all those dreams, aranda. The globe has become smaller because of air travel and not all planes are for carrying folk on holidays or visiting the world. Internal strife is the most destructive force today and the human toll is proof of man kinds greed and savagery . Internal strife has infiltrated many countries as money is hard to even earn in our so called civilised society. Crime is to be expected when civilian life becomes to hard to survive in. We only hear of the tip of the iceberg but already many are being frightened by incidents occurring in their once safe suburbs. Fear creates violence and today incidents are increasing. With all the drug addicts needing medical treatment I find it incredible that Cannabis could soon be growing on backyards as the demand for it on the reason of a pain killer is becoming closer to reality. Have we reached the point of no return, maybe ?#1681407TedE May 23, 2018 at 3:21 pm
Bryan, at home and causing trouble! We bought a second hand Japanese imported 2003 Prius in 2010. Since that time we have done about 120,000km in it and have averaged 22.87km/litre or 4.3litres/100km or 33.48mpg. The costs of running including insurance reg’d etc is 24c/km and the cost of fuel 8c/km. The car has much more room than the first generation vehicle and is very comfortable for me to get in and out of. Probably if I was buying another I’d go fro a Plug in Hybrid which a friend has and is slightly easier to get in and out of and for most of his running he is on the plug in running (less than 50km a day) so he is doing better still.
I hope that answers some of your questions Bryan and that long may you continue at home and causing trouble.
TedE - Papakura -#1681550doug139124MemberMember since: March 19, 2018
Replies: 54doug139124 May 24, 2018 at 12:48 am
A couple of points that need a challenge.
Insurance cannot be included into a cost per kilometer equation as there are varying prices for different circumstances. As kilometers travelled varies per vehicle per person this also is a variable. By the way my petrol only cost 23.9 cents a liter, the rest ($1.00) is levies and gst which fund the electric/hybrid vehicles on NZ roads and any other fund the Govt can think to use it for. So you really should use this figure as a base comparison not the levies inclusive price for a comparison as electrics don’t YET pay these levies.
You can’t use apples and pears for a cost comparison in running lemons. Well you actually can but it makes no sense in doing so.
It is the same argument as used with diesels against petrol. For some reason diesel pushers conveniently forget the road use tax in their cost per km comparisons.
I notice that the manufacturing cost are significantly high for electric and hybrid vehicles than petrol and there is a greater pollution emitted in manufacturing of these vehicles. To top that off there is replacement batteries and the disposal of the spent batteries which will change the running cost of such vehicles. As I have said before, a tax or levy for disposal of batteries will come soon, and there have already been rumblings for a road user tax on electric vehicle as petrol and diesels are funding them at present. This also changes the comparison to reflect each petrol vehicle is actually 1 car and a bit of electric car in the equation.
I believe NZ starts to struggle to supply enough electricity during the colder months. So if you add into that electric vehicle charging the use of coal fired stations will continue. Is that not polluting every bit as much as petrol!
Don’t get me wrong. I would go pure electric when better batteries and charging facilities finally happen. Mean time I’m comfortable chugging along with my petrol burner. I’ll wait until the playing field has been leveled before any return to electric/hybrid for me. It is easier to carry a Gerry can than a spare set of batteries, in the event you get caught short of juice.
A though for the electric/hybrid brigade. You do know that lithium-iron batteries in toys and phones burst into flame and are known to start fires. Have you considered what the ones used in electric/hybrid vehicles can do, because that is what they use!
As for earthquakes and nuclear facilities, next trip over the Wainui hill look down on the one anchored on the granite base, Hutt side at Gracefield. It’s in Wainui’s backyard or is that front yard! That would be too close for me even without an earthquake. I refused to take the job making isotopes there. I had no wish to be exposed to radiation no matter what amount was deemed safe back then.
I believe I’m safe in saying no it is not the end of the petrol vehicle. Just another challenge to petrol engines. I would agree that there will be a change, but not in my life time.#1681571BryanMemberMember since: October 28, 2006
Replies: 12435Bryan May 24, 2018 at 9:57 am
As for earthquakes and nuclear facilities, next trip over the Wainui hill look down on the one anchored on the granite base, Hutt side at Gracefield. It’s in Wainui’s backyard or is that front yard! That would be too close for me even without an earthquake.
You know I’d forgotten that was there and it was never mentioned during the “No Nuks” protests way back then. I can’t help but wonder just how many people know it’s even there just over the harbour from our capital city.
To go back to our comparisons there are as you say many variables. I know when I replaced a car some time ago someone wanted to sell me a diesel and I wouldn’t have a bar of it even with it’s advantages and price savings. I did go with CNG when it was viable but the bubble burst and I don’t thing it would be possible to buy it now. So we will see what the future brings, I will be interested to watch as it could go either way.
At Home, At Peace and Causing Trouble In South Taranaki#1683647TedE June 12, 2018 at 9:43 pm
I wonder how much of the fear of problems from earthquakes on Gracefield is related to reality?
My understanding of the facility is that it is a research centre which uses radio active isotopes in earth science and other related subjects as a research tool. This means that while they have radioactive materials on hand, they are not involved in reactions of the type that are used in a reactor and that there are no onsite reactions taking place that would need to be shut down in the case of an earthquake.
Maybe we should ask for an explanation of the risks of earthquake related to the facility and what precautions they have in place to mitigate such risk should a devastating earthquake occur.
TedE - Papakura -#1683695Hero42MemberMember since: July 18, 2008
Replies: 11892Hero42 June 13, 2018 at 1:16 pm
You got it in one.
There is not enough radioactive material there to cause a risk and that type of radioactive material has never been outlawed by NZ.
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Replies: 415Anonymous June 14, 2018 at 11:28 am
I’m gunna drive my economical auto (on gas) to the day I demise! It said despise (same different)#1683826don021MemberMember since: May 15, 2012
Replies: 1750don021 June 14, 2018 at 12:32 pm
I see our postie cruising down the footpath in her electric vehicle and envy her the freedom from traffic chaos, perhaps her type vehicle is the way of the future. I use my car for trips to town and social gatherings, about 4 or 5 Km. each way and wonder why I persist with a car when a mobility scooter would get me to where I want to go with no traffic hold-ups and no parking fuss. Rain? stay at home if it is raining.#1683835TedE June 14, 2018 at 2:42 pm
Dono, have you thought of the possibility of using a bike?
I have just clicked over 2500 and an e’bike in 20months. It was off the road for about for 2 months while they fixed the controller (under warranty) and I rode the old mountain bike however that is getting harder now. But I wanted to keep my flexibility and balance in reasonable order so changed toe e’bike before I gave up on bikes.
The car is definitely good for longer trips ans visiting children and grandchildren. But i feel the bike will keep me going for a while yet. (I also bought a sit on Kayak at the same time as the old sit in Kayaks were becoming difficult to fold into. Walking hurts so cycling keeps me moving.
Keeping ourselves fit is important and with reasonable wet weather gear I ride often and do shopping etc 20 to 30 k per week. My wife is not able to get out as much so the car is important for her and when the license goes we are fortunate to have the improving Public Transport to use.
Auckland Transport have the ambition to have all homes within 4-500m of a bus route and in our area that has been implemented however the present patronage does not seem to be building. hopefully with the increased fuel prices and eventual carbon tax we will have it all sorted within a few years.
TedE - Papakura -#1685332phun83179MemberMember since: November 19, 2013
Replies: 19phun83179 June 27, 2018 at 10:56 am
There is a lot of “hype” about changing to other forms of energy for cars.
The cost of new and second hand electric/hybrid cars in New Zealand is against there being a
big up-take in their use.
If the Government subsidised the purchase of a new straight electric cars as some
countries have, the cost (to the taxpayer) would be enormous.
Say $10,000.00 was the subsidy. 10,ooo cars would cost $10 million.
But 10,000 cars is a drop in the bucket of the total number of vehicles on our roads, so
where to next? Lets make that 100,000 vehicles, that’s $1billion. Even if spread over
several years, depending on the up-take, that’s a lot of money which could be better spent
on hospitals, schools, welfare, prisons (yes despite Mr. Little’s looney ideas some people have to
be locked away) and so on.
Rental schemes in large cities are just that. You won’t see that in smaller localities, and
depending on where you live in NZ a car is very often not a luxury but essential. Charging
points are very expensive, and many places may not have them. It is at least a 30 to 40
year plan to get all that in place. At the moment you pay a lower registration on electric/hybrid
vehicles, but once the numbers (way into the future) tip the balance that advantage will
disappear, and to pay for the roads they will still need, the cost of registration will move to
cover the shortfall.
So “END of the Road for Petrol (and diesel) Cars”? – in my opinion, not any time soon!
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