- #1742853rob023MemberMember since: October 7, 2011
Replies: 1621rob023 February 16, 2020 at 11:09 am
Right on the button Totara.
I was reading an article yesterday the temperature in an fairly small area has risen about 4 degrees purely through there being 3000 more people there than ten years ago. Obviously 3000 more people need housing, roading, electricity, water, sewerage, schools, supermarkets, doctors etc, infrastructure in other words.
If you ventured away from that area a mere mile or two the temperature was 4 degrees cooler.#1742855rob023MemberMember since: October 7, 2011
Replies: 1621rob023 February 16, 2020 at 11:38 am
Bryan, one doesn’t need to look far back to see that long posts aren’t really a problem for you, it’s just my long posts.
I’m in no way suggesting Supergold shouldn’t have made this much longer post than my recent one https://www.grownups.co.nz/discuss/topic/wow-this-gives-you-something-to-think-about/page/20/#post-1720522 plus many others following any shorter, but you didn’t say to Supergold “If you want people to read your posts I suggest you condense them a little then people are more likely to read them and take note!!”
I take it you’re not into reading a good novel or a book on the history of a place as you’re implying you’d have to read the whole book in one go.
As a matter of fact, the post of mine that you referred to took me about 40 minutes in total but I didn’t write it all in one go. Much like a 485 page Stephen King book wasn’t written in a day.
Arandar, another writer, might attest to my examples of how long it takes to write a manuscript.#1742961Hero42 February 17, 2020 at 4:21 pm
Heat islands have long been known about and interestingly the deniers used it to object to the scientists adjusting the temperatures to take the heat islands into account.
Nice to see you agree that the scientists did the right thing taking the anomaly of heat islands out of the temperature records.
Cheers 🙂#1742962Hero42 February 17, 2020 at 4:23 pm
Your claim about a new ice age is totally unfounded.
Check this to get all the details.
Cheers 🙂#1742965Hero42 February 17, 2020 at 4:26 pm
Good on you for realising the danger we face and voluntary cutting back on your car use.
Why not go further and adopt some of the other things others have adopted to help with the situation.
Cheers 🙂#1742967Hero42 February 17, 2020 at 4:30 pm
I am glad to see you acknowledge that we could face extinction if we do nothing.
Interestingly Christiana Figueres has written a book on the two extremes of what might happen if we do nothing and if we do what is needed.
Christiana Figueres is a founder of the Global Optimism group and was head of the UN climate change convention when the Paris agreement was achieved in 2015.
Interestingly only 11 pages or so of the book describe the terrible consequences of unchecked climate change, while the rest talks about the possibility of a much better world. This is because she believes it’s important for everyone to face the negative consequences that we’re sleepwalking ourselves toward, which is why those 11 pages are there. But equally as important is to spark the imagination and the creativity that comes with understanding that we do have this incredible agency to create something completely different.
Cheers 🙂#1742968Hero42 February 17, 2020 at 4:31 pm
Christiana Figueres worse case scenario:
The last paragraph is as follows:
The demise of the human species is being discussed more and more. For many, the only uncertainty is how long we’ll last, how many more generations will see the light of day. Suicides are the most obvious manifestation of the prevailing despair, but there are other indications: a sense of bottomless loss, unbearable guilt and fierce resentment at previous generations who didn’t do what was necessary to ward off this unstoppable calamity.#1742973Hero42 February 17, 2020 at 4:34 pm
But it isn’t all doom and gloom, we have the option of doing something about it and then this could be what happens:
This is one of the first paragraphs:
In most places in the world, the air is moist and fresh, even in cities. It feels a lot like walking through a forest and very likely this is exactly what you are doing. The air is cleaner than it has been since before the Industrial Revolution. We have trees to thank for that. They are everywhere.
And it ends:
We emerged from the climate crisis as more mature members of the community of life, capable of not only restoring ecosystems but also of unfolding our dormant potentials of human strength and discernment. Humanity was only ever as doomed as it believed itself to be. Vanquishing that belief was our true legacy.
Cheers 🙂#1742982halcyonMemberMember since: May 4, 2014
Replies: 5035halcyon February 17, 2020 at 4:43 pm
Great piece of fiction Hero. The author must be a sitter for the Fictional Author of the Year award.
“If liberty means anything at all, it means the right to tell people what they do not want to hear.” (George Orwell, The Animal Farm)#1742984Hero42 February 17, 2020 at 4:49 pm
Yes it is fiction but with all good fiction looking into the near future it is based on what we know now and what may happen if we either do nothing or do everything.
It gives us some insights into what may very well happen.
Personally I believe it will be somewhere in between as more of us take action and politicians slowly come around to taking action.
You are a fan of George Orwell and undoubtedly when he published Animal Farm people said exactly the same thing and didn’t realise that the world was shifting towards his dystopia. Fortunately once we were warned by his fictional writing we took action to stop it completely happening everywhere.
We weren’t completely successful but we have avoided the worse excesses as hopefully we will with climate change.
Remember Orwell initially encountered difficulty getting the manuscript published, largely due to fears that the book might upset the alliance between Britain, the United States, and the Soviet Union. Four publishers refused to publish Animal Farm, yet one had initially accepted the work, but declined it after consulting the Ministry of Information. Eventually, Secker and Warburg published the first edition in 1945.
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