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  • #1657623
    Hero42
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    Hero42

    This is what happens when the old guard lose and the new government have good ideas.

    The Labour-led government is considering changes which could give Parliament more clout under MMP and force governments to share power.

    Deputy Prime Minister Winston Peters wants to change the seating arrangement in Parliament and has suggested giving select committees more authority, including being able to change elements of the Budget.

    All this could be considered as the government honours the coalition commitment to review the processes of Parliament to better reflect MMP.

    Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern does want to do things differently, including giving her coalition and support partners – New Zealand First and the Greens – room to express their political differences while continuing to present a cohesive government policy agenda.

    She also wants to collaborate more widely and involve the National Party in the business of government.

    Ms Ardern said as the Opposition, National had the responsibility to hold the government to account. But National might also want to see some issues addressed where the parties may be able to work collaboratively.

    “There are two areas where I think we should be able to take the politics out of, child poverty and climate change. I’ve got two particular pieces of legislation that I’m hoping for near unanimous support in Parliament and so that I think will be the test on whether we can demonstrate that there is the ability to work together on particular issues.”

    Ms Ardern said she would like to give a draft of the child poverty legislation to National Party leader Bill English as soon as possible to discuss before it was introduced to Parliament.

    Mr Peters said there had always been co-operation, but he supported the Prime Minister’s intention.

    “We could do far better in terms of co-operation and I suspect the Prime Minister will because of her nature,” he said.

    But it might be a challenge this early in the term of the new government to broaden co-operation with National. Some Opposition MPs are still upset that they are not in government when they believe they won the election.

    Senior National MP Nick Smith has questioned how his party is not still sitting on the government benches.

    “I certainly think the outcome is very unusual. We’ve got over 50 parliaments in the world that have proportionate-type systems. It’s almost unheard of a party to get 44.4 percent of the vote and not be part of the government,” Dr Smith said.

    National has demonstrated so far it wants to be a strong, traditional Opposition.

    But Winston Peters wants to change MPs’ approach to politics in Parliament. Despite being regarded as one of Parliament’s more combative participants, he has plans to change the seating arrangements to reduce the adversarial nature of the House.

    “If you go to other environments they sit like a delta and the Speaker is up there. Every group is lined up over here looking in the same direction, so to speak, rather than eye-balling each other in a bear pit which is what our Parliament sometimes resembles.”

    Mr Peters has also suggested revamping select committees to give them more power.

    “I see the in other countries, for example in Germany, where the equivalent of our finance and expenditure committee can’t alter the global amount of the Budget, but they can alter the content, the elements within it. They’re a seriously powerful select committee,” Mr Peters said.

    Green Party leader James Shaw welcomed the plan to review Parliament and said there were still a lot of hang-overs from the first-past-the-post system which did not translate to the more pluralistic system under MMP.

    Cheers

    #1657684
    arandar
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    arandar

    Doesn’t that sound great.

    One almost dares to hope that things could change for the better, not only in the areas of most concern like health, mental health, housing and so on but also in the way those concerns are addressed by the whole of Parliament working together for the good of the country.

    Imagine that!

    Arandar

    #1657691
    halcyon
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    halcyon

    The idea sounds great. And I agree with James Shaw in that our current Parliamentary practice still reflects the ‘First-Past-the -Post ‘ mentality. And while we have seen some changes, i.e. The Green Party  supporting legislation of the last Government, when it’s support Parties chose not to, and National supporting Labour/NZF legislation in respect of Paid Parental Leave legislation, we still have  along way to go.

    Our current Parliamentary practice is based on the Westminster model and that model developed from the debate between two distinct camps. It is time we moved forward and developed a more consensus form of government.

    And while we are exploring a move away from a adversarial form of government maybe the time has come to consider making a similar change in our justice system. Our current adversarial system is failing. The Restorative model, as practiced by our Youth Court, is showing promise. This would be a model worth considering.

     

    “If liberty means anything at all, it means the right to tell people what they do not want to hear.” (George Orwell, The Animal Farm)

    #1657698
    lilith7
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    lilith7

    “She also wants to collaborate more widely and involve the National Party in the business of government.

    Ms Ardern said as the Opposition, National had the responsibility to hold the government to account. But National might also want to see some issues addressed where the parties may be able to work collaboratively.

    “There are two areas where I think we should be able to take the politics out of, child poverty and climate change. I’ve got two particular pieces of legislation that I’m hoping for near unanimous support in Parliament and so that I think will be the test on whether we can demonstrate that there is the ability to work together on particular issues.”

     

     

    That sounds so much more likely to encourage cooperation rather than the constant bickering & juvenile point scoring we presently have.

    I so hope they can bring it about,it sounds a far healthier way to govern – for all concerned.

    Surely – surely,the Nats will see the sense in this,they’re not fools. It wouldn’t be perfect – no system is – but it would be so much better if they’re all working together despite their differences.

    Its so good to have something to feel hopeful about again. Interesting times. 🙂  😎

     

    #1657704
    lilith7
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    lilith7

    I just came across this:

     

    “If a political party does not have its foundation in the determination to advance a cause that is right and that is moral, then it is not a political party; it is merely a conspiracy to seize power.”

    Dwight D. Eisenhower

     

    #1657705
    gabyone
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    gabyone

    Would seem to be a great idea but……  with so many MPs shooting down everything that does not come from their party or personally benefit themselves I find it hard to believe that it can be enacted. Call me a cynic but I am over trusting any politician to do what is best for the country when it might penalise them.

    Gabyone Auckland region

    #1657710
    drlivingstone
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    drlivingstone

    Interested to see how a changed seating system could work and  a more co-operative approach too.I see The PM was proposing yesterday in Rotorua  a reset for Crown -iwi relations speaking at Rotoruas Te Papaiouru Marae in fromt of Labours  13 strong Maori caucus and an audience of local iwi,hapu, kaumatua and assorted dignateries for the launch of  Waiariki M.Ps Tamati Coffeys “Kaumatua council advisory body.Jacinda Ardern paid tribute to the work of the former M.P. Te Ureroa Flavell  for the tireess work he did for his community.

    Dr.Livingstone
    Peoples Republic Of Christchurch

    #1657806
    drlivingstone
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    drlivingstone

    The briefing papers to Ministers certainly showing up The  former National Governments shortcomings and none more so than the 25 page Human Rights Commission briefing to Minister of Justice Andrew Little.In New Zealand there is  no central system for collating details about crimes motivated by hate which makes it difficult to establish the scale and extent of these crimes and how to deal  with the issue The report says  unless these events  are captured and analysed the day to day  victimisation experienced by people because of their ethnicity is largely invisible.New Zealand continues to rank very poorlyinternationally when it comes to bullying in schools and initiatives over last five years  have not improved these figures.Immediate investment is required in evidence-based targetted bullying prevention And closer to home for me is secondary stressors relating to unresolved insurance claims,faulty repairs and land compensation on the mental health and well being of people in Canterbury.CDHBoard figures show demand for child and youth  mental health has risen  73 percent  since the earthquakes.And then this little beauty the prevalenceof  substandard  housing  conditions  in New Zealand  has developed as a  major human rights  issue with multiple  effects on health  and wellbeing.

    Dr.Livingstone
    Peoples Republic Of Christchurch

    #1657810
    drlivingstone
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    drlivingstone

    The Human Rights Commission  believes that discussion s with the largest banks,developers, community housing associations,trade unions and others suggest  there is” a coalition of the willing” wanting to work together so that we can achieve the goal  of everyone in New Zealand being adequately, safely and affordably housed by 2030.

    Dr.Livingstone
    Peoples Republic Of Christchurch

    #1658016
    Anonymous
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    Anonymous

    A new Government and a new approach to governing eh.

    Have a look through this Hansard https://www.parliament.nz/en/pb/hansard-debates/rhr/combined/HansDeb_20171206_20171206_32 and you see a parliamentary first. A Government voting against a closure motion on a government bill. You also see lots of fillibustering their own bill also.

    STUART SMITH (National—Kaikōura): I move, That the question be now put.

    A party vote was called for on the question, That the question be now put.

    Ayes 57

    New Zealand National 56; ACT Party 1.

    Noes 63

    New Zealand Labour 46; New Zealand First 9; Green Party 8.

    Motion not agreed to.

    So last week the Government was so disorganised they were slowing down their own legislation yet this week they are going to go into urgency because they say they have so much to do.

    It would be hilarious if not for the enormous cost of taxpayers $$$millions wasted by the Coalition of Losers.

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