Doc @ #8, I just love it when pro-maori try to negate & justify a debate with "awww look what all you honkies done". This paragraph also applies to #10, whatever GrinKey & Co are doing does not make elite Maori rorting of the NZ taxpayer any more legitimate.

We were not debating what the 'honkies' have done or not done, we were debating what Maori have done! There will be more individual cases of misdemeanour's by non-maori simply because they make up 85% of the population.

The next fact is that these 'Pakeha New Zealand individuals and Companies and Groups' never preached what noble conservationists they were as Maori do when they are duping the NZ public with their propaganda to screw more money from the NZ taxpayer. The Court case in question highlights the fact that Maori are the same as the rest of mankind when it comes to $ and the environment.

Logical stuff eh Doc, hope it is not to much for ya.

Yogi, Your planet is certainly different to mine. You assume powers of perception about what people are doing to each other and need to get both feet on the ground.Have a happy day.

Just to balance the bullshit as Yogi put it.

From 25 June 2012:
A farming company owned by Fonterra director Colin Armer has been fined $72,000 plus costs for spilling dairy effluent into a Bay of Plenty waterway.

Cheers

But on the positive side.

Congratulations to the two Maori scholars on their great achievement.

In 2011 there were only 26 NZ students at Harvard out of a total of 4,188 overseas students.

As of 2010, Harvard employs about 2,100 faculty to teach and advise approximately 6,700 undergraduates and 14,500 graduate and professional students.
Eight U.S. presidents have been graduates, and 75 Nobel Laureates have been student, faculty, or staff affiliates. Harvard is also the alma mater of sixty-two living billionaires, the most in the country.
The Harvard University Library is the largest academic library in the United States, and one of the largest in the world.

No small achievement for these two tudents.

Cheers

"Hmmmm, and these are the noble ones that care for the environment & land?"


NO. These are two Maori scholars. Graduating. From Harvard.You may have heard of Harvard. Or not.

Clearly you didn't bother to read it,hence your confusion.



"The Court case in question highlights the fact that Maori are the same as the rest of mankind when it comes to $ and the environment."


THIS thread however,isn't about that. Its about two Maori scholars & their achievements.


"In 2011 there were only 26 NZ students at Harvard out of a total of 4,188 overseas students."


Yep,these two have worked hard & richly deserve to reap the rewards of that;I wish them further success.

Racial prejiduce is a


"PIGMENT OF THE IMAGINATION"


For any one who cares to look in the mirror.. Everyone is the same under the skin..


Both sides of all the fences!!!

Enjoy the race !!!

The human race ..


Cheers Kai

Kai, Soooo why are maori hellbent on separatism?

IMHO: all the fuss and bother over Maori achieving at Harvard or anywhere else is quite patronising and actually encourages separatism.

I'd be interested to know if they recieved any funding for their studies from any of the millions of TOW money that the government has handed over to iwis in selttlements.

I would imagine Dan Bidois would have had considerable aid from Tainui as they have quite generous grants for tertiary education Maebh.

Maebh,I have no issues with the Governments handing over money to iwi in Treaty Settlements for colonial Governments seizing of lands owned by Indigenous Maori Tribes of Aotearoa New Zealand.A shameful part of New Zealands history. Iwi are allowed to spend there money how they wish, whilst John Key gifts ours to Tax Cuts for the 1% or asset strips our Family silver or trys to turn New Zealand into a Secret Tax Haven.

That's good to hear Silverfern. Hope it's true.

So much of TOW settlement money has gone into failed investments and the pockets of greedy committee members out to feather their own and their families nests.
The promises made that the money would benefit the people has, in a lot of cases, come to nothing.

If even some of these kids had the helping financial hand that they were promised - with the money going directly to them or the educational or training institution - then they stand a much stronger chance of achieveing their goals.
It really makes me mad to see some iwi standing up and saying "didn't we do well!" when it was the kids who worked their butts off !

I overheard a conversation between 2 Maori women on a train once that involved them going on personal trips and claiming travel, accomadation and other expenses for those trips from their employing organisation.
Pakeha do that too - there's no excuses for anyone to do it - but hearing that and personally knowing there are kids out there who cannot get further because of funding issues really made my blood boil.

I dont think it's un-natural to be soured about the TOW settlement process when it's well known that lots of the money is wasted or simply disappears.

You'll get greedy people in every walk of life and every race Maebh...just look at our polititons
Tainui are doing very well after the initial bad start when they were a bit like someone whose just won lotto. Have a look at thewebsite Tainui Group holdings. (thats their financial arm)