From Dally at #4 -

'I once asked a christian friend of mine if he thought that a fetus that was still born, miscarried or aborted would go straight to heaven. His answer was "no" which surprised me.'

And from Mona at #7 -

'A single egg is living thing.A sperm is living thing.They join together to make a bigger living thing[baby].Mother Nature will dispel it if she sees fit.YOU tamper with it and thats MURDER.End of story,and the end of the world,if everyone had that abortive thought.I have had my squeak on this subject,so full stop from me,Mona and myself.'

Both of those postings seemed to me to be referring, in passing at least, to an aborted foetus being excluded from heaven and to human tampering being murder.

Hardly surprising then, that Belladonna responded to those two remarks, I think, by referring to abortion.

I have never ever considered abortion to be murder, I consider it wrong to see pregnancy as an inconvenience to be terminated at will. To destroy a future living child evolving from the very genes of its mother and father is tragic.

Of the women I have known who chose abortion, I can honestly say, not one considered their pregnancy merely 'inconvenient', Joybel, and most rued the necessity and mourned their loss, often for years after. Most told me they wished they had not felt they had to make that choice and most told me they would make the same decision again were their circumstances ever to be exactly the same.

"BD it is obvious that your comprehension is not up to scratch as before you twisted this thread around to suit your own thinking the name of this thread was...."HUMAN OR JUST A BIT OF TISSUE" That is, or was the subject matter untill you convoluted the thread. That BD is what I replied to, as did the following 6 or 7 posts until yours....so get bit right.

At no stage was abortion ever mentioned until your twisted post....Simply go back and have a read."



Are you seriously saying now that this thread isn't about abortion?

I think it may have been me who,in the previous thread mentioned that in early stage abortions,it involves removing a small piece of tissue & clearly OJ has begun this as a follow on from that one.
Below is your post from #2


"That about says it all mate....at 9 weeks a fetus is a small human being, about what I posted on the other thread."


As far as I can see no one has disputed that it is human - a small piece of tissue from whatever species its taken,will be of that species.


I'm not sure why you're upset Squirter - is it because you believe I shouldn't post since I'm presently unable to access the piece from you tube?

Or do you think I shouldn't post on abortion at all?

Or I shouldn't disagree with OJ?

This being a forum,people will sooner or later,disagree & if you were to read my final post in the previous thread you'd see that I said as much to OJ & remarked that we'd have to agree to disagree.





And as I mentioned in my earlier post,there are some fairly interesting things going on in this area in the US at present. The 'women as livestock' being one.


http://tinyurl.com/75gwm5j

"After an emotional 14-hour workday that included fist-fights between lobbyists and a walk-out by women Democrats, the Georgia House passed a Senate-approved bill Thursday night that criminalizes abortion after 20 weeks.

The bill, which does not contain rape or incest exemptions, is expected to receive a signature from Republican Gov. Nathan Deal.

Commonly referred to as the “fetal pain bill” by Georgian Republicans and as the “women as livestock bill” by everyone else, HB 954 garnered national attention this month when state Rep. Terry England (R-Auburn) compared pregnant women carrying stillborn fetuses to the cows and pigs on his farm. According to Rep. England and his warped thought process, if farmers have to “deliver calves, dead or alive,” then a woman carrying a dead fetus, or one not expected to survive, should have to carry it to term.

The bill as first proposed outlawed all abortions after 20 weeks under all circumstances. After negotiations with the Senate, the House passed a revised HB 954 that makes an exemption for “medically futile” pregnancies or those in which the woman’s life or health is threatened.

Roe guarantees a woman's constitutional right to an abortion up to 24 weeks, but Georgia legislators don't care. The constitution doesn't cover livestock. "

Gidday

Ewe people on this site are just filling me with total disgust.

It appears that Bella Babe does not want to have a discussion but instead try to belittle anything that I post. She just ignores what I say and pushes her pro-murder agenda.

But when I read Bryan's post #54, I decided that I have had enough. Bryan is normally one of those who try to suppress any Christian input in the threads by grizzling about others bringing religion into the threads, but then when it suits him, he goes and posts that way out of context and in a way that appears to denigrate the Bible.

Well if this is what the site has sunk to you can stick it where it belongs.

So long!

AGAIN OJ.??Go forth and start another Forum,like last time.Then you can ask yourself as many questions as you like,and come up with all the answers that suit you,and nobody else.

Many years ago,I remember little twin boys running to school-so excited to tell everyone of their new baby brother.They were thoroughly crushed by the piping voice of a little miss... ''Me Mum says if she has any more kids,she's gunna drown'em!''
I have the same feeling of revulsion,reading back on these pages.For goodness sake,OJ found an incredibly beautiful story he wanted to share with us all.I was delighted to be able to see the earliest beginnings of a tiny being-the film is magical,and I certainly had a tear in my eye at the wonder of it all.The ugly side of destruction and vulgarity I have read here,never entered my head.There are some real men here,whom I admire tremendously.They exemplify the traditonal role of a man,who protects and cares for the vulnerable and weak among us.I feel very sorry for women who have not known the love of such a man-who would give his life for them.

"It appears that Bella Babe does not want to have a discussion but instead try to belittle anything that I post. She just ignores what I say and pushes her pro-murder agenda."


With all due respect OJ,that simply isn't true. If there's a discussion - of any subject - then that discussion involves (or should,if its to be a fair discussion) both sides rather than just one.

And very far from being 'pro murder' I am pro choice. As I've said before no woman should ever be forced to have an unwanted abortion. Equally,no woman should ever be forced to continue with an unwanted pregnancy.

And...as to your leaving this site,that is up to you - though I think it may be an over reaction.
Humans tend to disagree,that's the nature of the beast.

EEK!! I started reading the posts here and thought it was a good topic to which I would like to add my 2 cents worth - but on reading further have decided against it. The topic was bound to lead to that of abortion and any debates on abortion are always like volcanic eruptions. Religion is another... and politics sometimes but not to the same extent as abortion.
And it's quite obvious why that is.....

tis a lady with more brains than "I"!

Advice I should have taken.

Why Bryan.?We all have a mind of our own,and if we cannot say what we wish to,without offending some people with opposite views.that will be a very sad day for all mankind.OK so we would like people to behave and act in a certain way,but due to the nature of the Animal,/Human that will NOT happen,so we carry on as US as usual.

Don't worry Tis, you have your two cents worth, temper tantrums and dramatics are the name of the game on this site.
No one has killed anybody yet, that I know of.

I do think the heading of this thread was to determine whether tissue was human or not. So naturally it would become an abortion issue. It was the way I saw it, and also a 'comeback' on two people with differing opinions.

Some folk can't play nicely in the sandpit.