Hang on a minute! I didn't say "I" believed it what I said is "Well if we're to believe"!

Just a slight difference.

What I believe is quite different and to involved to go into here and it's an argument I have got sick of in other threads!

"Well if we're to believe the Bible then we "All" come from Adam & Eve so we are related back there in any case!"


The earliest human remains have been found in Africa,Bryan - so we're all descended from Africans.







"Yep. And that is why we should be trying to clean up our gene pool by getting the rotten buggers outa it."


By which you mean OJ,killing and/or forcibly sterilising some 'selected' groups. Never mind the euphemisms;THAT is what you mean.



"And what's more, it just shows how, like Bryan just said that it was only a mere 6,000 years ago whenlittle Evie talked he poor bloody man into eating that damned fruit."


"the poor bloody man?!"

Did he not have a mind of his own,then? Unable to think for himself,make his own decisions? What nonsense!

EVE WAS FRAMED!!

Gidday

"By which you mean OJ,killing and/or forcibly sterilising some 'selected' groups. Never mind the euphemisms;THAT is what you mean."

Yep!

You got that one right. All those who choose to do things like rape and murder, especially to children. If everyone knows the consequences then it IS their choice so what the hell is wrong with that?

"Did he not have a mind of his own,then? Unable to think for himself,make his own decisions?"

Well that could have something to do with the amount of bloody like Bryan mentioned in another thread earlier.

"If everyone knows the consequences then it IS their choice so what the hell is wrong with that?"


The very fact that you even ask that indicates that you lack understanding...



"Well that could have something to do with the amount of bloody like Bryan mentioned in another thread earlier."


I think you may have missed a word out,not sure what you mean.

Procreating is the easiest happening amongst the animal kingdom, of which humans are a species. While not all women and men can produce offspring because of a medical reasons the world is overrun with humanity at the expense of the other animals as well as sea creatures

The west lives in luxury compared to the Eastern and African numbers. Yet I wonder if we are becoming feral in our need to have it all. Murders are low compared with deaths caused through carelessness and accidents

Maybe the Gladiators had the best way to get rid of the killers and other criminals. Have an annual battle where the survivor is given a plush jail cell with all mod cons and maybe even a kitten to love. But next year he has to go out and defend himself against the next mob. It could be a profitable enterprise and help pay for their keep. A bit of strategy is all that's needed here and the seats would all be sold.

Gidday

"The very fact that you even ask that indicates that you lack understanding"

Seein as you caint answer the question methinks it is you who don't understand.

JoyBel, I also believe the Gladiators idea would probably pay the government bloody well in gate sales but really, even I think it would be a bit cruel. Whereas a rope is very cheap and can be reused thousands of times if neccessary and some of our prisons could be sold or given back to the maori if they gave back their muskets.

"Whereas a rope is very cheap and can be reused thousands of times if neccessary"

The Health Dept. may have something to say about that, O.J. and demand, on health grounds, that a new rope be used for each hanging.

"The very fact that you even ask that indicates that you lack understanding"

Seein as you caint answer the question methinks it is you who don't understand."



"If everyone knows the consequences then it IS their choice so what the hell is wrong with that?"


Ok,if you insist OJ.

1) Your post assumes that everyone who commits a violent crime stops first & mulls over the consequences. They don't;violent crimes are most often done while the person is in a highly emotional state e.g. anger,frustration. Therefore its is incorrect to believe they took consequences into consideration because while they may have 'known' them,they were not considered at the time. I expect that,like all of us you've been angry or frustrated at times & so know that logical thinking isn't being used then. This is not a 'choice' under such circumstances.

2) Your simplistic notion that forcibly sterilising or killing anyone who commits a violent crime will in any way,deter others has been proven to be wrong - IF it was effective,we'd have no violent crime. Humans are a violent species & not everyone can control it well enough in times of emotional stress.

3) The idea of forcibly sterilising anyone,even a violent criminal is repugnant & buys into the idea that they're in some way 'other',when they're every bit as human as we are. No one has the right to forcibly sterilise anyone else,regardless of what they may have done. That you apparently cannot understand that & calmly discuss ways to perpetrate cruel,violent acts against other humans says much.
You DID ask.


"Maybe the Gladiators had the best way to get rid of the killers and other criminals.But next year he has to go out and defend himself against the next mob. It could be a profitable enterprise and help pay for their keep. A bit of strategy is all that's needed here and the seats would all be sold."


Barbaric,cruel violence solves nothing,though it would indulge the human urge to seek vindictive retribution. Such a thing would have the effect of dehumanising those who watched it - but sadly,I'm sure there'd be NO shortage of people willing & eager to do so.

The way violence is depicted on the big and small screens has developed into alien forces being the baddies and capable of controlling their visibility by a wave of the hand and destroying all who try to win over them, just a blind eye exercise?

It is the human element which becomes the fighting force to be able to banish them, if only for a time. Could this be a way of whitewashing the violent nature in humans and mesmeric hold violence in movies and novels has over a vast number of "normal" humans. Has family violence increased or is it becoming more public?

Gidday

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"I expect that,like all of us you've been angry or frustrated at times & so know that logical thinking isn't being used then."

Firstly, if someone, just because they get angry, can rape or murder without even thinking then yes, they Should be taken out of the gene pool because they can never be trusted. And yes you are right, I have been angry and frustrated, just like I get sometimes when I have read the crap that comes from you at times. But if ever being angry or frustrated causes me to rape or murder I would fully understand that I had to be put down.

(2)
"Your simplistic notion that forcibly sterilising or killing anyone who commits a violent crime will in any way,deter others has been proven to be wrong"

There you go again. You surely must be the simple one when I have never once talked about hanging rapists and murderers to deter others, but would think that any reasonable thinking man would be, but I am not talking about reasonable or thinking men.

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So what is your suggestion of what to do with repeatative rapists and murderers? Give then a nice bed and feed them for a while then let them out to do it again? Then that makes those who let these scum out just as guilty as they are when the reofend. Just what would you say to a girl who has just been raped by one of them, "Oh it will be O.K. dear. He was just a little bit angry"?

JoyBel, your Gladiator idea would work just like mine but a lot slower. But it would bring in good money from the gate sales.

Speaking only for myself, as someone who was raped at age 14, I have never, not once, thought the death penalty a suitable punishment for the rapist.
Actually, now that I am being forced to think about this, I believe for me that would have added to my distress, my fear, my sense of guilt, that I must have deserved it, that I had brought shame to my family and myself.
I never reported it, never told my parents, for all those reasons above. To have it dragged through the courts would have been bad enough - too much for me to cope with then. To have a man's life hanging on it, literally, would have been unsupportable.
It would have done absolutely nothing to give me closure I can assure you.

Gidday

Well all that I am wanting is to stop mongrel buggers like this from becoming a tripple rapist:-

"A convicted double rapist on strict supervision orders has been found with a preschool child and has told Corrections officers he is using alcohol and cannabis.

Maka Renata, 26, appeared in Napier District Court yesterday on four charges of breaching an extended supervision order imposed on him after his release from prison.

Renata was seen with the child at his Napier house on February 2. Under his extended supervision conditions he is not permitted to have contact with anyone under the age of 16. He was also found in breach of his curfew conditions on January 10, 15 and 19.

Renata was convicted in June 1999, one month after his 14th birthday, when he and his foster father, Dean Hiroki, raped a 26-year-old in an alley off Cuba St, Wellington."
http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/6386942/Double-rapist-in-breach-of-supervision