Cameo here is a bit about guy behind Quackwatch;

C & P is from this link about the man behind Quackwatch

Quote: Barrett is a shill for the medical and pharmaceutical cartels and his bully tactics and unjustified discrediting of leading innovators, scientists and health practitioners should not be tolerated.”

During the course of his examination, Barrett also had to concede his ties to the AMA, Federal Trade Commission (FTC) and Food & Drug Administration (FDA).
So i for one, would place him in the category of Quackpot and do my own research before believing anything from this mouthpiece of Big Pharma

Well, I think that rests that case - thank you Majorminor!

Not to flog a sea horse but if there is any doubt about the FDAs ties to drug Cos look at there enterprising souls and how well they have done;

sunk by predictive texting - sea horse above started out as dead horse but was re incarnated it seems.

It's not fair to debate with "Quackwatch'; You'r trying to debate with an unarmed opponent Have a look at "Donald Rumsfeld and Aspartame"

Hi Cameo; That picture on your posts looks like the Edwin Fox ( on show at Picton) Which reminds me of what the people believed in the early sailing days, if you go out too far you could drop off the edge of the world.
How many know how Geoge Washington died?

U mean he fell off the edge??

No; Doctors killed him; he had a fever from working outside in the rain; They "bled" him to bleed out the fever after the third "bleed" he died from loss of blood

Hi Bill H.
My avartar is not the Edwin Fox. It is a picture of the Soren Larsen which I sailed on back in the eighties. I think I have picked the wrong thread to discuss Quackwatch. I have had a really bad experience with chiropractic methods, Not myself but a son who suffered from chronic ashma. $5,000 dollars and a years treatment for nil health benifits.
What upset me most was the claim by the Chiropractor that they could cure 80% of Asthmatics.
I seem to think skeptisism grows with age.

I always believe that you should "follow the money"; Chiropractors included As for asthma one suggestion could be that your son is not drinking enough water; When you think about it, why is the breathing passage restricted ? could it be that the body is dehydrated and is restricting the airways to conserve water being lost from resperation from the lungs? My grandson had to use a "puffer" until I suggest he try drinking more water, he no longer has a porblem; If you pinch the skin on the back of your hand between thumb and forefinger and hold for a few seconds then let go, if the skin stays up and returns to normal slowly you are dehydrated. We need to drink at least eight x 8 oz glasses of water a day sometimes the simpe things are missed and it could be worth a try Yes I know Soren Larsen; One of the greatest experiences I ever had was entering Portsmouth in 1953, early in the morning with a slight fog lifting and out of the mist ahead of us came three sailing ships under full sail with sailors aloft shortening sail to enter harbour, we could have been livering a couple of hundred years ago; They were coming for the "Spitt Head Revue" by the Queen after her coronation.

Bill H - i would take issue with you over the "One size fits all" approach to water. Certainly a lot of similar comment exists and in all probability originates from Dr. F. Batmanghelidj's "Yours bodies many cries for Water."
But keep in mind, he is Indian and in india with loads of manual workers living in the equatorial region it could well be that increasing water intake, sorts a lot of issues but it seems to me that even here in NZ, the Invercargill office worker's requirement for water, would differ from that of the Aucklander who is laboring manually in the open air.
One of the issues of excessive water intake for some is the leeching of minerals from a diet/body that is already poor in mineral sufficiency.

You use the skin test as a measure of need for water but that further does not address the lack of bodies ability to produce collagen such that your test will show all over 60s to be dehydrated whereas a lot have poor skin elasticity.

Similarly consider this C&P on the Flouride that is forced on some;

Collagen Is The Body‘s Glue and Fluoride Ruins It

That‘s not just a metaphor; when collagen breaks down, tissues simply lose their substance, their framework. Fluoride dissolves the body‘s glue simply by preventing new collagen from being formed.

DR Y gives a masterful explanation of fluoride‘s disruption of collagen. Not only is the collagen incorrectly formed, it is wrongly mineralized.

Some collagen, like bones and teeth, should be mineralized in order to give it hardness. Other collagen structures, like ligaments, tendons and, and muscles, should not be mineralized, in order to keep them flexible and resilient.

Fluoride mineralizes the tendons, and muscles and ligaments, making them crackly and painful and inflexible. At the same time fluoride interferes with mineralization of bones and teeth, causing osteoporosis and mottling or dental fluorosis.
end quote.

Just as an aside, here is a quote on this subject;

"A seven ounce tube of toothpaste, theoretically at least, contains enough fluoride to kill a small child." - Procter&Gamble, quoted in Fluoride the Aging Factor p14

So my take - certainly some could benefit from drinking more water but there are Doctors who consider it unnecessary and if one has a diet high in vegetables then there is less need for additional water and certainly not a case of lugging a BPA laden plastic bottle for a 30 - 40 min walk.

So will end with this;
here is a quote from William Campbell Douglass II, M.D.

"Be sure to drink 8 glasses of water daily" WRONG AGAIN! The water that comes out of your faucet contains chemicals that could cause cancer and Alzheimer's! And the US government not only blindly looks the other way, they're the ones pumping it into your house through the public water systems!

In fact, if you drink tap water, you might as well eat rat poison! That's because fluoride – a by-product of the aluminum manufacturing process – could only legally be sold as an insecticide and a RAT POISON before a 1930s study (funded by the aluminum industry) pointed out the "benefits" of fluoride. Drinking a glass of tap water is really no different than playing Russian Roulette with your health.

Each to his own; I suggested to try more water; some times the simple things are missed; With all the information that is about on fluoride we would have to be nuts to drink it; as with toothpaste I have a toothpaste that has no unsafe product in it and kills the bad bacteria in the mouth that cause tooth decay, it is quite safe to swallow, I tried to get the Minister of Health interested and she fobbed me off; one of the ingredients, xylitol, kills off the bad bacteria. If all children were able to use it dentists would go out of business We wouldn't want that to happen would we? You won't find it in a shop either I have also had the BPA argument with the Minister for Food Safety and got nowhere and was told that young mothers should look for advice on the internet, about plastic feeding bottles. no wonder the place is littered with men? who don't know who should get the door for whom and who should lead on the dance floor most food cans are lined with BPA. (BPA mimics estrogen)The same goes for aspartame she says the FDA says it's safe, I told her to look up 'Donald Rumsfeld and Aspartame" but she wouldn't do that; it might wake her up All you say no doubt is quite true That is why I decided to look out for number one and changed my diet and life style by moving to where I can do just that How many know that Auckland gets water out of the Waikato river? I don't believe that they could get all the chemicals out of that short of a desalination plant .