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53709-MMac 18 Oct 2011 7:14am #1
offline majorminor

Member since 19 Sep 2010

Member from Napier

Posts: 1119

Get a view of this next push , that will not be seen in the media;


The Fluzone High-Dose vaccine, designed specifically for seniors, contains four times the amount of antigen compared to the regular flu vaccine. Yet there is no scientific evidence to support the theory that a higher dose of antigen will result in decreased risk of flu and related health complications. Just click this Link for full story.

Blank 18 Oct 2011 7:27am #2
offline ten bob

Member since 11 Feb 2009

Member from Palmerston North

Posts: 338

If people kept their vitamin D status high, they wouldn't need to worry about cold and flu bugs.
Should have a test annually, and if necessary (more than likely) take a supplement.

53709-MMac 18 Oct 2011 8:00am #3
offline majorminor

Member since 19 Sep 2010

Member from Napier

Posts: 1119

Or.... Shock! Horror! .... get some decent Sun exposure without any sunscreen.

Blank 18 Oct 2011 8:46am #4
offline ten bob

Member since 11 Feb 2009

Member from Palmerston North

Posts: 338

Ha! Yes of course, but that only works in the summer. For six months of the year the sun angle is too low to make vitamin D in the skin. That's why we get colds and flu in winter and not summer.
Second point, after age 40 the ability to make vitamin D decreases year by year.

Blank 18 Oct 2011 9:55pm #5
offline anon7249

Member since 03 Sep 2007

Member from Levin

Posts: 88

Do not know how this discussion started but saw ten bob was involved and thought I would have a "nosey".

(G'day ten bob, haven't heard much from you since the statin wars.)

For the last two spring/summer seasons I have had depression inducing "hay fever" type symptoms. Living in a rural environment this can be tricky to analyze. Hay does not set me off. I regularly handle it.

I came across research about Vit D and was intrigued.

I do use supplements, basically a multi, vit C, and magnesium. there are some others but those are used for off topic reasons.

Anyway I started dosing with vit D at a basic level of 4000 iu a day.
After reading more I boosted my vit C level from 100mg pd tp 2000 mg pd.

In summer I often work topless and I reduce D supplements.

The D addition came about mid winter 2010, the C boost about autumn 2011. This was prompted by a blog I follow that reported immunity from colds on high D. Blogger made no claims and was puzzled. Vit D promoters do not make claims about defence against colds.

Anyway This winter I came through with no cold or flu.
I, among other things drive a public passenger bus. It is not hard to be exposed to unwell people.

there were two or three occasions when I felt like I was getting a cold. Boosted C to 3000 and D to 6000. All symptoms gone within 24/48 hours.

This time 12months ago I was weeping sneezing mess.
So far nothing.

Fingers crossed.

There appears to be a direct link to the immune system.

Sigh!

I have arthritis problems which I have managed very well for many years (apart from the occasional swear word). These pains are now becoming irritating. I hope this is a passing phase.

Cheers to you all.

Blank 18 Oct 2011 11:06pm #6
offline ten bob

Member since 11 Feb 2009

Member from Palmerston North

Posts: 338

Hi there Peter.

I too have avoided colds and flu for several years smile

Prolonged 'high' vitamin D3 supplementation requires vitamin K2 to avoid calcification of soft tissue (e.g. arteries). Also vitamin A, but you will probably be getting that in your multi. Avoid multi with calcium for above reason.

53709-MMac 22 Oct 2011 11:05am #7
offline majorminor

Member since 19 Sep 2010

Member from Napier

Posts: 1119

So many are mesmerised by advertising that logic flies out the window - Felicity Lyme is vaccinated against measles, is hospitalised with Measles and is planning on another vaccination. The logic escapes me.

53709-MMac 31 Oct 2011 7:53pm #8
offline majorminor

Member since 19 Sep 2010

Member from Napier

Posts: 1119

As reported by Yahoo News: 
"Finnish and international researchers recently found a conclusive link between the Pandemrix swine flu vaccine and new cases of narcolepsy… The Finnish Pharmaceutical Insurance Pool (LVP), which represents insurance companies, said… it would honor all insurance claims in this category… The Finnish government meanwhile agreed to cover any medical costs exceeding the insurance claims.
In Finland, 79 children between the ages of four and 19 developed narcolepsy after receiving the Pandemrix vaccine in 2009 and 2010. Of these cases, an unusually high number, 76, also suffered from bouts of cataplexy, suffering hallucinations or paralysing physical collapses, according to Finnish research."

Would out 'guvmint' do the same?

Full article Here

53709-MMac 01 Nov 2011 8:06pm #9
offline majorminor

Member since 19 Sep 2010

Member from Napier

Posts: 1119

Ten Bob, seems to me in #4 you dismiss the issue of sun too easily.
With my starting 10 mins back and front after the equinox and now up to 25 mins B & F, i have had plenty of time to consider your comment.
With my skin browning up nicely, it may not show any achieved Vit D levels but certainly it is activating the melanin.
Having started with white skin, the low angle of the sun is a plus. My aim is 0930 - 1030 otherwise it just gets too hot, even with the sun as low as it is, but certainly as we move back into winter i will use the midday Hawke's Bay sun to continue my exposure.
If you had watched the S Seneff interview, which i have posted in other places, then you would know of the importance of the Cholesterol Sulphate, which in turn says to me that Blood Condition and Circulation also play an important role in the amount of Vit D one benefits from with Sun exposure.
So i have no plans on getting out there to try and measure the angle of the sun to try and figure a time to be out and time to come in. Certainly, in the last weeks i have seen 3 changes in myself which i consider to be showing that i am on the right track.
Apart from all that it is nice not have stark white buttocks. eek

Blank 03 Nov 2011 6:49am #10
offline ten bob

Member since 11 Feb 2009

Member from Palmerston North

Posts: 338

No disagreement with that.
October to March is the activating period.

These are not my ideas, but based on the science that I have read.
Check it out for yourself.

5361-Portrate_BillH. 04 Nov 2011 8:00am #11
offline Bill H

Member since 30 Aug 2006

Member from Hawera

Posts: 352

Hi Ten Bob, I use Krill oil in the winter and have done so for the last 10 years and have never had a cold or flu in that time. I had at least a couple of bad flu attacks per winter before that. You are quite right when you suggest that the suns angle plays a part in vitamin D defficiency, in fact if you live South of Wellington you should supplement in the winter months. The flu buggs are with us all year round and it's only in the winter when our D levels fall from lack of sun exposure that our immune system can't cope.
I have a portable fold up bed that I used through the winter in Tauranga on clear days. I have just shifted to South Taranaki and intend to keep up the practice here. Did you know that the highest rates of prostate cancer in th U.S. is in African Americans, I understand it comes from lack of Vitamin D because of their skin pigment and working indoors under nion lights.

9005-joy_child 04 Nov 2011 4:17pm #12
offline Joybel

Member since 02 Nov 2006

Member from Linwood

Posts: 26070

Perhaps Television and Computers are the main reasons for the lack of vitamin "D". Where once we were outside pottering in the garden or going for walks and chatting over the fence and having friends around for lunch in the backyard, we are now cyber moles. My yard is very small and nowhere am I free from the rotten Easterly wind to sit in the sun in cofort. Wind tunnels are created by the solid fencing separating the units from each other.

The hole in the ozone layer is becoming bigger again but surely by the time we are in our seventies the threat of melanoma would be passed or we already have it in our system waiting to activate. Skin cancers are a fact among the elderly and my friends all have patches needing to be zapped.


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