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Blank 15 May 2012 12:09pm #325
offline Hero42

Member since 18 Jul 2008

Member from Porirua

Posts: 3641

What I heard was that the coal in the mine was still smouldering and could do so for sometime, depending on how much oxygen was getting in to the mine.
If no oxygen was getting in Solid Energy thought 8 years was the time frame before they could open up the mine and let oxygen in without risk of explosion.
But having said that there is a mine in the US which has been smoldering for 50 years as they can't seal it off.

They missed the opportunity of rescue or recovery in those five days before the gas levels from the smouldering reached a level to cause the second explosion.

8171-IMG_1754a 15 May 2012 12:20pm #326
offline Bryan

Member since 28 Oct 2006

Member from Eltham

Posts: 9040

That's the first mention of the mine smouldering, when did that come up?

43955-25719_med 15 May 2012 1:05pm #327
offline arandar

Member since 23 Nov 2009

Member from Stratford

Posts: 1697

I've heard it a few times and Don Elder certainly said so in the NatRad interview last week.

49876-IMG000011 15 May 2012 9:34pm #328
offline earthy

Member since 21 May 2010

Member from Runanga

Posts: 17

Arander, what they say now and what they'll do are again lies. They will try an open cast this coal because there is billions of dollars worth in that seam. They can't do it now as open cast is a dirty word in mining and in itself a disgusting mess. They will wait until when they know the countries desperate for coal to export and this is a real special type of coal. Deals will have been done behind closed doors i believe. Time will tell.

Blank 15 May 2012 10:31pm #329
offline jan42

Member since 28 Jun 2006

Member from Whakatane

Posts: 67

Understand John Key wants a meeting with miners families,is he brave or stupid???
Too long to wait to make this an election issue not til 2014,so the time is now...lots on talk backs about him not keeping his word.
Was Blackball opencast?biggrin

43955-25719_med 15 May 2012 10:53pm #330
offline arandar

Member since 23 Nov 2009

Member from Stratford

Posts: 1697

Earthy, sadly, that's far too often true these days. Far too many deals being done behind our backs. It may not be so this time - who knows? As you say, time will tell.

I understood Pike Rivers coal seams are too deep to be mined open-cast? Is that not so?

Jan42, Key is neither brave or stupid. He's just a gambler; he's gambling that he'll get credit for fronting up and a couple of nice photos ops. Comfort, explanations, apologies perhaps for the bereaved families. Or not. it's just a toss of the coin. Win some - lose some. He doesn't really have anything much to lose at this point. His rep is already tarnished over this. He's not enjoying the job. 'It's going to be a long 2 and a half years,' he said. He's right - it is.

And, since he'll be gone back to Hawaii in 2014 and, since we and our media have the concentration spans of goldfish, we'll all have forgotten about his broken promises.

49876-IMG000011 16 May 2012 9:05am #331
offline earthy

Member since 21 May 2010

Member from Runanga

Posts: 17

The coal is deep but the amount of it is like huge both in amount and profit. Were the mine is situated away from public viewing, it's ideal to open cast. Yes its deep and in a long seam {so we are told} but the cost of digging would prob be the way to get it out. The infrastructures all in place, the rail head etc, huge power grid. Who knows??? But they will try an do something while "the key" is still around. Because I can't see any other party being a party to this mess. Solid Energy got this mine so so cheap in comparison to the profit to be made. They will be itching to get into the money load.

Blank 16 May 2012 9:21am #332
offline Hero42

Member since 18 Jul 2008

Member from Porirua

Posts: 3641

They got it cheap because no one else wanted it and the receivers went back to them after everyone including Solid Energy had pulled out and asked for an offer.


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