if anything is truly beneficial to the people , a terrific ideal to solve massive problems

Then It will be a moral certainty that the " evil ones " will not, any way, have anything to do with it !!!

Great how Winston Peters has called Prime Minister John Keys bluff by refusing to rule out going with Labour because of Labours plan to raise the pension age saying changes wouldn,t kick in during the next term.When Key said Winston Peters was tricky and that he would find a way around all that stuff. Tricky am I? I never worked for a company that took American people to the cleaners and then went broke and got the American people to bail them out he said referring to Keys time with Merrill Lynch.He said and it is increasingly obvious that John Key is running out of friends,support and excuses.

I wish that old codger from the shaky city would think things up for himself instead of parroting what is in the Sunday Times every weekend. As we all know the parroting will go on all week till next Sunday when he gets another dose of the political crap. Of course he only picks out the anti Government stuff but then this is his "Labour Club" way.

Winnie sure knows how to rattle JK's cage

I wish that Nationals supporters would address the issues instead of obfuscating, fudging and ducking for cover.

John Keys Government I believe has overpromised and failed dismally to deliver year upon year.
Record numbers are leaving for OZ.!
There is a Growing divide between rich and poor.
Can we really afford John Keys Tax Cuts for the 1%?
What about the 99%?
What about real Job Creation by supporting exporters to expand and earn more
What about coming clean on the real cost to the nation of these asset sales and the cost of saddling my grandchildren with the debt.?
What about the cost of National Super and raising the pension age Debate.?
With a huge shortfall the retirement age must be lifted sooner or later.There are 4.5 people of working age to every one pensioner, by 2050 there will be only 2.4 for every superannuitant.
What about selling us out on the Trans Pacific Partnership.?


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Maybe, just maybe, the world's economy is going to collapse so catastrophically that many of the people, who left these shores for opportunities overseas we don't offer them here, will come home?

It's certainly a possibility. And IF it were to happen, and say another million Kiwis came home - what a difference that would make!

Actually, that ought to be a question shouldn't it?

What difference would it make if the global economy collapsed and 1 million Kiwis came home?

Raise the penchun thats the go !!
then they'll have to wurk and pay taxes !!


BUT that'll take jobs off the kids , an they' ll go on the dole
how will we pay fer that ??


I know--- We'll Raise the Penchun age

Ah yes Ocker You raise some valid discussion. Surely Job Creation not Tax Cuts for the Rich should be any governments Top Priority! So what age do you think the Pension Age should be 67, 70, 100,? Abolish it.? Compulsory euthanasia once you finish work.?And Ocker, What Kids are you talking about.? Compulsory sterilisation will drop the number considerably.?Surely we need heaps of Kids to keep you and I in the manner we are acustomed to in 2050.? heheh

It appears as though the Head office of the Red Fed club has been working overtime this weekend, probably not enough anti crap in the Sunday Times so ill Presidentio of the shaky city had to call on head office troops to help him out.Well done old chap I think a walkabout and the cream bun helps you with the energy to run your little Political club.

First of all, Dr Livingstone (I take it, that with your repetition of complaints, you will generously allow for comments and discussion my repetition of cures?) - I agree with you, that National's income tax reductions at this time of expected budget deficits turn out to be nearly as bad (a bribe) as Muldoon's election bribe over more super at age 60 in 1975!

I also accept, that all your complaints are "legitimate" - and would be even better with constant reminders about how to do it better for the purpose of reducing excessive debt and especially reducing the debt growth rate - unless you actually oppose that in a "hidden agenda"?

Having said that, I am personally quite happy with all the serious criticism of National at present, in the (wishful) hope that it will jolt pragmatic John Key into into overruling the ideological libertarians within National, by making his "no change in NZ Super in my term of office) into a major political issue by - "no change in the NZ Super entitlement age forever" through the economic growth powering amendment of the NZSF into a permanent institution of PAs (Personal Accounts), with the appropriate savings for investment rate for that to be worked into the taxation system.
Once introduced and the immediate benefits experienced, a political accord will follow, and the adequate NZ Super sustainability debate since 40 years ago will be resolved in principle.

A question to Dr Livingstone & all, including ther Retirement Commissioner:

Since our NZ Super sustainability for baby boomers is clearly helped through the NZSF, why could not the latter keep NZ Super sustainable for the increasing proportion of longer living retirees from age 65 after the baby boomers?

The NZSF savings needed for that would also be a very effective economic growth of wealth ownership and earnings factor, delivering also more poverty alleviation and elimination potential - and everything else what increased wealth makes possible.

If no one proves these statements to be wrong, then what is stopping us to urge John Key, David Shriver, Russell Norman, and Winston Peters to put them on the political agenda?

Perhaps a "hidden agenda" in favor of widespread welfare dependency perpetuation?

Jens,So you agree with The Financial Services Councils campaign to get Cross Party discussion going on the age of entitlement.,the level of the pension and higher Kiwisaver contributions

I certainly support a Cross Party discussion on the age of entitlement, the affordability of it, compulsory or voluntary retirement savings, immediately restarting contributions to NZSF, means testing or not, all the possible permutations.

Anything can be afforded as long as we are prepared to reprioritise. We could sacrifice something else (like free hospital care or education or subsidized rest homes or benefits for sick people, single parents or the unemployed) or we could raise taxes or we could create more jobs building infrastructure and housing and rebuilding Christchurch, so more people are working again, spending again in our businesses and paying taxes here not overseas.

Anything and everything should be put on the table and the NZ public should take a good hard look at what we want for ourselves, our children and our grandchildren.