G'day Joybel,

"We already are going in circles are we not. Doesn't the earth revolve around the sun ?"

That would be beyond their comprehension love....small country people,
from small country towns with bloody small country minds. If that's the best they can come up with in this situation then, pay them no attention.

Cheers love.

I lost the plot long ago

Squirter - If you are having a flame at me and calling me small minded perhaps you can tell me which part of my post is erroneous,

Gidday

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Man-made climate change theory proponents frequently cite claims that ice caps and glaciers all around the world are melting at an alarming rate because of excess carbon dioxide (CO2). But new research published in the journal Nature reveals that, contrary to popular belief, ice caps in the Himalayan mountains and many nearby peaks have not actually melted at all in the past ten years.

Professor John Wahr from the University of Colorado and his team evaluated data collected by a pair of satellites known as "Grace" that measured changes in the earth's gravitational pull from 500 kilometers (311 miles) up in space. These satellites revealed that ice levels in these high peaks are basically the same as they were a decade ago, despite the fact that many people still think they are melting.

"I believe this data is the most reliable estimate of global glacier mass balance that has been produced to date," Professor Jonathan Bamber, a glaciologist from Bristol University in the U.K., is quoted as saying to the Guardian. "This is a compelling reason to try to understand what is happening there better."

The reason why many scientists still believe that ice caps and glaciers in these higher elevations are melting has to do with the way data on melting has been collected up until this point. Rather than come from satellite imagery and gravitational analysis, most of the research is based on data gathered on the ground from just a few glaciers, which fails to take into account the 200,000-or-so glaciers in existence across the globe.

At the same time, the researchers claim that lower-level ice melting is still occurring, and that the new findings do not negate existing theories on global warming. This declaration, however, appears to be more of a politically-charged opinion rather than a hypothesis based on the facts, as there simply is no concrete evidence that ice caps as a whole are melting any faster than usual, or that man is responsible for causing this if they are.

The new study is not the only one to blow holes in the sacred cow theory of man-made global warming, either. A report published last summer by Human Events, for instance, revealed that those iconic images of polar bears dying because of melting ice caps are based on lies. The polar bears observed in the study that was used to make this claim appear to have actually died from an isolated windstorm, which means that polar bears are not necessarily an endangered species (http://www.naturalnews.com/033370_polar_bars_scientific_fraud.html).

Learn more: http://www.naturalnews.com/034940_Himalayan_ice_global_warming.html#ixzz1m9klqvpe

Talk about cherry picking to spread a lie.

Here is a link to the full article if you want to read the whole thing:
http://www.nasa.gov/topics/earth/features/grace20120208_prt.htm

Here is what the article says about global ice loss:
Using satellite measurements from the NASA/German Aerospace Center Gravity Recovery and Climate Experiment (GRACE), the researchers measured ice loss in all of Earth's land ice between 2003 and 2010, with particular emphasis on glaciers and ice caps outside of Greenland and Antarctica.

The total global ice mass lost from Greenland, Antarctica and Earth's glaciers and ice caps during the study period was about 4.3 trillion tons (1,000 cubic miles), adding about 0.5 inches (12 millimeters) to global sea level.

And here is the cherry picked part:
One unexpected study result from GRACE was that the estimated ice loss from high Asian mountain ranges like the Himalaya, the Pamir and the Tien Shan was only about 4 billion tons of ice annually. Some previous ground-based estimates of ice loss in these high Asian mountains have ranged up to 50 billion tons annually.

So when you have all the facts does it make a difference?
We lose over a seven year period 4.3 trillion tons of ice from Greenland, Antarctica and Earth's glaciers and ice caps and we only lose 0.004 trillion tons from the Himalayas and they want us to believe there is no global warming.

Cheers

Gidday

Most of the ice loss has nothing to do with the climate at all. It is due to soot in the atmostphere what falls on the ice and soot, being black, attacts heat sos the ice melts.

That is not science but simple truth.

Post deleted at 14 Feb 2012 11:03pm by ocker

http://iceagenow.info/2012/02/tragedy-unfolding-europe-u-s-media-ignore-it/

Cold Snap??
Tragedy unfolding in Europe – Is U.S. media trying to ignore it?

If temperatures go up by a hundredth of a degree they scream “global warming.” But if, heaven forbid, it’s record cold and record snow? “Well, let’s just call it a cold snap.”

It is called climate change because the increasing global temperatures are creating more extreme weather patterns, stronger storms, more floods, more droughts, colder cold snaps.

It is a cold snap because it doesn't last very long, if it lasted all winter it would be a cold winter when it lasts a week or two it is a cold snap.

Gidday

Hey Ocker, didn't you know the hotter it gets the more snow that falls?