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14806-av_18 08 Oct 2008 10:27pm #25
offline lemin

Member since 02 Jun 2007

Member from Mangere Bridge

Posts: 3715

There is talk of a bail out in the UK

10741-littl_e_jack_2 08 Oct 2008 10:39pm #26
offline Old Jack

Member since 19 Dec 2006

Member from Hampden

Posts: 6355

Gidday

Well bugger me dead.

Vixie, you poor twisted little girl. It is obvious that you have far too much time on your hands and you are far too simplictic. You have not only wasted time reading helens propagana but it looks like you actually believe it. You poor girl.

It was that anti nuclear legistlation that she got the peace crap for and it was that legislation that brought New Zealands only terrorist attack to our shores.

And if you think that I was referring to the tabbaco legislation, you are truely deluded. Don't you even know what immoral means, I was reffering to 850,000 people who signed the partition against the poof promoting bill.

And is that viaduct you are talking about the one that was stopped in it's tracks way back, by helens party, and that the unfinished bloody pillars were still poking out the ground in Auckland the last time I drove through? Was it not stopped by her then she claims the great honour of announcing that it will be built just weeks before the election. Bloody good one that Eh!

And you mentioned education, it was her mob that destroyed our education system with what they called tommorrows schools or something like that.

And then the rural sector. What a bloody laugh that one is. It was her mob that destroyed our rural sector, started the greatest depopulation of our countryside ever. Thousands of farmers were sent to the wall, many commited suicide because of their policies. So to talk about rural assistance is just a cruel joke.

And on your last point, Lemin is dead right.

Please don't just load this sight up with repeated propaganda from that woman.




27239-085584_200_mermaid 09 Oct 2008 12:26am #27
offline vixie

Member since 02 Sep 2008

Member from Milford

Posts: 620

Considering I started this thread Jack, I think I'm entitled to add what I think others might like to read and have an opinion on. It's all based on published sources. If you don't wish to read what I've posted, don't visit this thread or make any comment on it. Make one up of your own. It's simple really....

Hey, You could call it "That Evil Woman", or "Helen's Traitorous Years", or how about "Clark and her Caravan of Carnivours", or heres another suggestion, the "Lets beat up on Helen Clark" thread. lol It won't bother me none, be assured of that. lol Maybe this one is more to your taste, what about a "Call me angry, but I hate Helen Clark" discussion. rolleyes Lotta people would like that one, I'm sure. wink

12753-avatar 09 Oct 2008 8:56am #28
offline Squirter

Member since 18 Mar 2007

Member from Papakura

Posts: 11289

Hey Vixie.

You mentioned the Auckland road works, and the Viaduct, but you failed to mention the cost. AUCKLANDERS will be paying for it in a petrol tax to the tune of, from memory, 11 cents per litre, starting as of next year. REGARDLESS of the price of petrol.

That is from the Labour spokesperson on roads either Monday or Tuesday. I wonder how many Aucklanders know that.rolleyes

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12753-avatar 09 Oct 2008 9:51am #29
offline Squirter

Member since 18 Mar 2007

Member from Papakura

Posts: 11289

Vixie again.

In post No.4 where you rubbish ole Jack and JK's intended policies (tax cuts were not announced then)....maybe we should balance the books up a little here....

Here are some of your words regarding Nationals policies...."Unworkable and somewhat irrelevant policies, Borrow for tax cuts, Large debt" and so it continues, but thats enough.

When the books were opened on Monday it was revealed there was a deficit close to 6 billion and that was not taking into account the current melt-down of the American financial system. Here is a press release from Treasury on the 7th October.

Treasury's pre-election report shows New Zealand is set to record a $30 billion deficit over the next 5 years. The report blames the deteriorating economy and reduced revenue forecasts. The figures do not encompass the turmoil on global markets of the past 5 weeks, which includes US and European countries formulating rescue packages for the financial sector.

There is not a lot of surprise that the cupboard is bare, as New Zaeland has been in a recession for two quarters and will probably be in one for the September quarter....this has been under Clark and Cullen. Maybe it's time for you to analyse a few things love.

And I probably think Jubilant John, and his knowing of the nations current financial situation, then his party's 'ease-back' on some of Nationals policies, and in my opinion responsible, are beneficial for the country as a whole.

And if my perception is correct the ole fella Jack's certainly no JK man either. rolleyes

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14302-Blue_hills 09 Oct 2008 10:14am #30
offline Kari

Member since 31 May 2007

Member from Palmerston North

Posts: 2124

For all we know, all present Key plans could be rejigged if National wins the election. Once a party is "in" it's got pretty much carte blanche (apart from a lot of shrieking by the opposition) for the next 3 years.
Talking of coffers being left empty, I wonder if anyone remembers when Muldoon was outgoing prime minister, and he said words to the effect of (either on radio or TV) "there's no money -- I've spent it all."
I am still undecided about my vote. At my place, it's a "house divided" as far as politics go -- so I suppose on election day we'll end up cancelling each other out! redface
Anyone else "divided" with their nearest & dearest on these questions? wink

9005-joy_2 09 Oct 2008 10:34am #31
offline Joybel

Member since 02 Nov 2006

Member from Linwood

Posts: 30381

What is a 6 billion deficit compared to the big bail out in the USA, which is looking like good money being thrown after bad. What a gamble!!. The world is involved here and to listen to the experts NZ is in a better position to ride the storm. They may be giving cows away soon and a horse and cart could become valuable property. The traders caused our woes and are now deserting in droves. Mans folly is repeated over and over again and his greed for wealth is at the expense of the rest of us who are just spendthrifts at heart as we pursue a share of the gravy. A store cupboard with non perishable food may be a good idea, instead of the bottles and tinnies of alcohol. I love grapes. Maybe they will be sold at the winegrowers gates next year. Good on all you vege garden growers. Six lettuce plants is all I have growing at the moment. The three wheelie bins may take a bit of filling if things become tight. Just supposing. Better get out and look for a few extras but not much in kitty.rolleyes

12753-avatar 09 Oct 2008 10:50am #32
offline Squirter

Member since 18 Mar 2007

Member from Papakura

Posts: 11289

Joybel,

You've missed the point....the $6 billion deficit was BEFORE the current meltdown of the American financial system.

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12753-avatar 09 Oct 2008 10:58am #33
offline Squirter

Member since 18 Mar 2007

Member from Papakura

Posts: 11289

G'day again Kari,

Yeah, I remember "Piggy" saying that, but thats in the past love and I never look back....lesson learnt.

I have always been an optimist otherwise I'd still be in a wheel chair and not walking. Pessimistic people leave me a little cool I'm afraid.

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14302-Blue_hills 09 Oct 2008 11:15am #34
offline Kari

Member since 31 May 2007

Member from Palmerston North

Posts: 2124

Good plan Squirter -- we can't influence the whole world, but we can make our own corner a nicer place!! lolrazz

9005-joy_2 09 Oct 2008 1:05pm #35
offline Joybel

Member since 02 Nov 2006

Member from Linwood

Posts: 30381

You see Squirter, I have never been an avid political fan as all the rhetoric just goes over my head and being deaf I only hear some of it. What actually takes place in reality is of more interest as this is the way my life revolves. Millions of words spill out of the political mouths to be reconstituted by critics and the media.

In my practical lifestyle I believe nothing I hear and only half I see and a lot of that is also suspect. I have had to live my life according to whichever Govt. holds the reins. By keeping myself in the black wherever possible, sometimes impossible, I am a surviver as most of us are. I have more faith in the Labour Govt. on their record, but that does not mean that I agree with all their doings.

I don't see politicians as having to wear halos, but as fellow creatures subject to the same laws as me. I have no gripe with John Key but the rest have upset me on occasion. Given a chance Mr. Key may bring a new perspective to politics as he is relatively new to the game. But then so may one of the other party's, but we will probably never know.

As for the deficit, when has there not been one and it is just bigger, but there is more money going around these days, most of it nonexistent and a figure on the computer. I mean where are all these billions which have mysteriously vanished. As you see I am rather naive and not given to fancies.redfacerolleyes

27239-085584_200_mermaid 09 Oct 2008 5:26pm #36
offline vixie

Member since 02 Sep 2008

Member from Milford

Posts: 620

Don't forget a lot of that 6 whatever billion, is tied up in political enducements and is included to cover all the legislature already past by govt. Every 3 year cycle (unless we get the same govt. time and time again), govt.,always has a deficiet bottom line. If, going into next year and Labour gets in, the policies promised, are already budgeted for, as is the viaduct, and other infrastructure works.

And of course that money comes from tax-payers, where else?, especially if Jack is correct, the agriculture industry is defunct, which I don't happen to believe. Also, so much for research and development under a National Govt. They propose to scrap funding to two specific processess of R&D, the 'Fast Forward Fund" which would have created an endowment fund for research in farming and food related projects and the R&D Tax Credit, which would allow companies to claim 15% of available R&D expenditure and depreciation losses. Business are estimating they coulde be losing $630 million over four years. So much for investing in NZ's future .... yeah right!

I object most strongly, that National has 'borrowed' from tax-payer's who finally got the message and started their savings scheme "kiwisaver", only to find out now, the Nats will use half that, to fund another tax cut, $15.00 on top of what Labour has forcasted for. Talk about giving from one hand, and taking from the other. What sort of fiscal policy is that?

You decide. rolleyes




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