i think the same as you on this one Mona..really is needed today on these mums and dads.

And don't for get that right at the beginning Peter Sharpels (spelling?) tried to mediate with the family with no success at all from memory his remark on TV was "The whole family is dysfunctional".

It would seem that the police tossed a coin and said we'll try you.

On the subject of unfit mothers, I see Tania Witika has had another daughter. Do you remember the case of young Delcelia Witika? I think it was possibly the most shocking abuse case I ever heard. CYPS has taken away the babe but I believe she will have access. If ever there was a woman who needed to be sterilised it was her. The Kahui twins should never have been allowed to go home with their parents. Neither showed any concern for them in the neo-natal unit. And it isn't the first time the whanau has held up police inquiries - look at Lilybing. I'm not sure us white folk would get away with that. Ooops - non-PC comment.

As Ocker said, the police should have locked the whole lot up at the time. Only, they should also have been put in solitary confinement. And they should have been told, " NObody gets out until we have a positive, unappealable conviction". And then imagine the Human Rights and P.C. brigades screaming.

The babies, of course, were at fault. They were there, as normal babies, and we can't have that. The parents were disadvantaged by them. And I'll bet, that if Sue Bradford had not had it repealed, their lawyer would have used the "Reasonable Force" plea. And I can only repeat, Reasonable Force has NEVER EVER resulted in any injury whatsoever. But the judge would probably allowed it. Which would have made THEM as guilty as the Kahuis

it really saddens me that we have to put up with this bulls--t again from this family.Come on new zealand are we all that stupid, that we have to listen to these murderers...for God sake ..how are we to believe these people...What is our country coming too...that people can do this to there own....and there whanau hide the truth..there whanau protect the guilty..

theyre doing their best to break the family tightness. the police are more than sure they had the right person, but with top lawyers these days (and we probably paid for him).... technicalities are found

Who the hell cares about family tightness, its not pilfering apples from an orchard we are talking about,its CHILD MURDER. and where is the great police concern ? the same police who rumbled through their bag of charges to try get something on a dairy owner who had a thief die while trying to protect his business . Lock the whole bloody family up until someone breaks,. Bet if they were white they would charged with something by now. and where are some comments from their tribal elders or that scumbag of a pastor who shepperded the from court that day. Child killing must stop. and to hell with cultural sensitivity.

yes culteral chit covers it all for them..... funny how the bulk of us dont use an excuse.... they lost their culteral many years ago.... its just an excuse. and dont blame the police ... they have a horrible job trying to keep everything exact so lawyers cant find a crack to get thier clients off... thank goodness john key has now stopeed the bulk of crims from getting top lawyers to defend them, as its costing us millions. billions actually as we are already paying them to live all their lives.