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Blank 18 Nov 2008 5:43pm #109
offline Mr Blobby

Member since 27 Sep 2007

Member from Upper Hutt

Posts: 6

I don't know what Jens' hobby horse is but his misrepresentations cannot go unchallenged. Yes the fund is mainly required to assist the country through the baby boomer bulge, but that's what it is - a bulge. When the bulge is over, the number of superannuitants compared with those of working age will be manageable again. The fund will still exist so current taxpayers, who include boomers, should have no fear as their kids provision will be even more secure - unless ACT or National sabotage it like they did last time and which is the greatest part of why we lag so far behind Aussie now.

252 05 Jan 2009 6:03pm #110
offline Jens

Member since 03 May 2006

Member from Point Chevalier

Posts: 3547

Mr Blobby - taxpayer contributions to the NZSF as it is at present, are to be terminated in the middle 2030s, after which the NZSF is running down, even though the proportion of longer living superannuitants will still remain higher than what it was before the baby boomer bulge.
That's why there is a good case for amending it into a permanent institution of Personal Accounts, to keep the taxpayer hand-to-mouth super financing relief going forever, together with the economic benefit of the long term investment being kept going by continuing NZSF accumulation.

19074-lumsden_bus_007 27 Jul 2009 3:41pm #111
offline NEMS4

Member since 17 Dec 2007

Member from Te Awanga

Posts: 383

im about to grizzle about the retirement age going up, because they cant afford us oldies and can safe millions by doing this ....... ok what about putting the dole age up to 20 and saving many more millions .... or better still ... only allowing them on the dole for 3 months then make them get jobs, even if its scrubbing dunnies like some of us had to do (when dole wasnt there)

252 12 Aug 2009 3:17pm #112
offline Jens

Member since 03 May 2006

Member from Point Chevalier

Posts: 3547

NEMSA, I agree with you - but instead of grizzling, why not join forces and publicize the constructive effort of increasing - all-inclusively, with even dole receivers participating through a proportion of GST they pay - towards accumulating NZSF retirement accounts, which - being very long term savings - will also double up as productivity increasing investments for the benefit of all?
Wouldn't that convert our relative pessimism at present (like failing to keep up with Australia) into a surge of energetic, new wealth creative optimism?

21968-javy 27 Jul 2010 9:19pm #113
offline Jude161

Member since 02 Apr 2008

Member from Manukau Central

Posts: 59

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21968-javy 27 Jul 2010 9:25pm #114
offline Jude161

Member since 02 Apr 2008

Member from Manukau Central

Posts: 59

I too are on super & still work part time, i can`t see it every being done away with, there will always be something to go around, well i sure hope so as jobs are going to become less & less in our future. i think the best years of working in a full time job for life are well gone.

Blank 28 Jul 2010 12:51pm #115
offline JimNaseby

Member since 07 Jul 2010

Member from Aranui

Posts: 93

Even if pensions were done away with, the government/taxpayer would have to continue to pay those already on one, or pay some a top-up until the generation that had fully saved for its retirement finally eventuated. mrgreen

Blank 07 Aug 2010 4:07pm #116
offline Kiwigull

Member since 31 Dec 2008

Member from Manurewa

Posts: 10

Interesting thoughts in this discussion. I'm turning 65 in October (Hooray!!) & would like to know if the rule still applies where I can continue to work part time & it will not affect my super, although I will pay higher tax on my work income. Any feed back welcomed Thanks
Mike

3279-bosscocky 07 Aug 2010 4:52pm #117
offline Chickiwi

Member since 29 Jun 2006

Member from Upper Hutt

Posts: 22

Hi Mike
As I understand it there is no change. I am on super and work part-time without if affecting my super.
Cheers
Barb

Blank 08 Aug 2010 12:15pm #118
offline Kiwigull

Member since 31 Dec 2008

Member from Manurewa

Posts: 10

Thanks Chickiwi, it's good to know we can continue to do a lttle bit more
Mike

252 19 Jan 2011 8:37pm #119
offline Jens

Member since 03 May 2006

Member from Point Chevalier

Posts: 3547

Isn't it unfair, that superannuitants - and all those on low incomes not able to take up KiwiSaving - are excluded from KiwiSaving incentives?
In other words, through their taxes they have to subsidize those higher income earners taking up KiwiSavings!
So - what about the $1000.- Kiwisaving incentive to all qualifying New Zealanders - including superannuitants - as "sleeping accounts" within the NZSF - until activated (or withdrawn by their superannutiant owners)?
It would not cost taxpayers a cent extra, as we have saved the money already!
The NZSF is supposed to be for the benefit of retirees, and we all would benefit from using the NZSF for the purpose it was designed for NOW, instead of in the late 2020s.

Blank 22 Mar 2011 9:43am #120
offline bill011

Member since 01 Dec 2010

Member from Te Awamutu

Posts: 1

Just to add another thought to this "retirement thing". I am at the age where it is thought I "should retire". I am on long service leave at the moment but no way am I going to retire. To many people and the firms they work for still have this fixation that when you reach a certain age that that is it ,you stop. If more people carried on working there would not be the problem of no more super.


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