"The flag is actually descended from the national colours and emblems of Israel that were transferred from there to Great Britain . British in Hebrew means Israel Man .
Practically all Europeans are of Israel descent from the ' lost 10 tribes ' as well as the 2 Jewish ones . This is all historically documented and we should be proud of where we are descended from ."

Not sure Jolly,but are you saying that,(since according to this we're all descended from Jewish ancestors) we're all really Jewish?


This might be of interest to you:


"Strange but true.
By Bill Sones & Rich Sones,Ph D
Q. Aren't we humans all one big family - & not just metaphorically speaking?
A.If you trace your family tree back just 30 generations, & assume 25 years for a generation, your ancestry over this 750 years encompasses first two parents,then four grandparents, eight great-grandparents,16 great-great-grandparents,32 great-great-great-grandparents,64,128,256,512,1024,2048....finally,1,073,741,824 people!
But 750 years ago it was the 13th century & there were fewer than a billion people in the world. Which means that, more recently than a scant 30 generations ago, your Mother's & Father's gene lines were merged, with ancestors common to both. Follow your lineage back 50 generations & the number of common parental ancestors grows enormous. In fact, estimates Guy Murchie in The Seven Mysteries of Life; the entire human species can be encompassed "within the scope of 50th cousinhood." If this estimate is correct,it would mean that your own ancestors include not only some whites, some blacks, some Chinese & some Arabs," but...Malays, Latins, Eskimos & every other possible ancestor who lived on Earth around AD 700. It is virtually certain, therefore, that you are a direct descendant of Muhammad & every fertile predecessor of his, including Krishna, Confucius, Abraham, Buddha, Caesar, Ishmael & Judas Iscariot."

Gidday

Belladonna, what we are talking about has absolutely nothing what-so-ever to do with the Jews. We are talking about the tribes of Israel and the Isrealites and not the jews who claim to be moderfn Israelis who are actually imposters.

Jack is right Belladonna . It is really amazing that practically everyone you mention anything Israelitish to immediately relates it to the Jews . Why ? Because they are uninformed and basing there opinions on heresay generalisations which in fact can then be narrowed down to ' old wives tales ' .
Your assumptions are not based on facts . Historical facts show that all races can be traced to their origins .
I'm not ashamed of being descended from Israel and want to be able to express that which has been supressed for 100's of years by our rulers and dogooders .

To be honest, I have only had a brief knowledge of the early Britains as far back as the Saxons and the Romans. I presume you are speaking of the Israelites as far back as the Bible times. The people from the Middle East must have all gone in different directions around the world.
I find this discussion interesting, and hope it improves my ignorance on the subject.

Gidday

Well we used to be called Europeans. I accepted that as a fact. Then after being in the Police Force for a few years, suddenly they started calling white people Caucasians. Me being an old traditionalist since I was born hated the change but there was no way I could do anything about it, I was now a caucasian.

Because this pissed me off in big hard lumps I started doing a bit of research into just what a caucasian was and it really surprised me. Now this happened way back before the internet was thought of so research was a lot slower and what I have seen on the internet has shown to be a bit different than back then.

I found that the meaning of Caucasian that they were working on was for the white people who originated in a region mainly south west of the Caucas mountains, and that they spread accross the top of Europe and down through the Mediterranean Sea and accross to Britain then of course accross to the States. But in the area they alledgedly originated from they were a landless people so I investigated further as to where did they come from.

To cut a long story short there was very good evidence that the area was what used to be part of what was called Assyria and that they were actually the missing ten tribes of Israel who were taken into captivity by the Assyrians to the area now known as the Caucasus and they never returned to their homeland.

This is backed up by history, well it was at the time but if it is like our history it could have changed to suit the PC brigade.

I see that the Palestinians are refusing to recognise Israel as a Jewish state . Israel is okay but Jewish , no .
I think that is quite significant in light of the history Jack has been talking about .

"Israelis who are actually imposters."


Imposters? Well then,WHO are they & WHY do they pretend to be descended from the ancient Jewish people?


"I'm not ashamed of being descended from Israel and want to be able to express that which has been supressed for 100's of years by our rulers and dogooders ."

Neither would I be sorry to be descended from Israel Jolly - the fact is,we all are distantly related so likely to have descent from Israel - but not sure what you're saying about 'suppressed by do gooders?' First I've heard of it,so wondering what you mean.


"To cut a long story short there was very good evidence that the area was what used to be part of what was called Assyria and that they were actually the missing ten tribes of Israel who were taken into captivity by the Assyrians to the area now known as the Caucasus and they never returned to their homeland."

That's interesting OJ - can you recall the title of the books you came across this in?


"I see that the Palestinians are refusing to recognise Israel as a Jewish state . Israel is okay but Jewish , no ."

I hadn't heard that Jolly - they're going to have to accept it,both sides have I think,done enough damage to each other & need to put aside hatred & work for peace there.

I'm pretty sure Jack means the Jews are the imposters . That being so then the Palestinians are also recognising them as imposters .
However they are not actually imposters because they are part of Israel and just won't recognise the other 10 tribes yet .
By rulers I mean government and educators who deliberately leave out the real history in order to further there own ends . Dogooders also who try and deny their history in order to push for republicanism and new flags etc .

Gidday

Belladonna, "That's interesting OJ - can you recall the title of the books you came across this in? "

Sorry but no. It was 40 years ago. But I do know that I found three completely separate organisations that were saying the same things and they had done most of the research for me, just pouinted me to where the information was. Yes one of those was a Church but definately not a mainline one. I cannot even remember what the other three organisations were.

Another interesting thing that I remember I recalled at the time was that when we went from school down to the Regent picture theatre to see the film of the Corornation of our Queen, the film told the story of the stone that was beneeth the thrown that had been brought from Israel where it was used for the corornation of their kings. That was in the original official film shown to the school children of New Zealand.

I bet you won't find any referenmce to that now.

"Sorry but no. It was 40 years ago."

Same problem I have OJ - I have lots of bits of information & now no idea WHERE I read them!


"Another interesting thing that I remember I recalled at the time was that when we went from school down to the Regent picture theatre to see the film of the Corornation of our Queen, the film told the story of the stone that was beneeth the thrown that had been brought from Israel where it was used for the corornation of their kings. That was in the original official film shown to the school children of New Zealand."



News to me as well -I thought that was the stone of Scone?

There are many legends on the origin of the stone of Scone and the one with the connection to Israel is that it was a pillow used by Jacob.

BTW In my bible Jacob used more than one stone for his pillow (Genesis 29 11) but as far as I know these stones were never mentioned again in the bible (Chris may confirm this or not). The stone of Scone is quite big and I assume there would be no need for another to act as a pillow. There is a theory that the stone's sandstone matches a sandstone found in Israel.