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Home brew I suspect#1716779lilith7 April 16, 2019 at 11:22 am
A stranger enters a village & immediately looks for the Sufi master to ask advice. He says, “I’m thinking of moving to live in this village. What can you tell me about the people who live here?”
And the Sufi master replies “What can you tell me about the people who live where you came from?”
“Ah,” says the visitor angrily “they are terrible people. They are robbers, cheats & liars. They stab each other in the back.”
“Well now” says the Sufi master “Isn’t that a coincidence? That’s exactly what they’re like here.”
So the man departs the village & is never seen again.
Soon, another stranger enters the village & he too seeks out the Sufi master for advice. He says “I’m thinking about moving to live in this village. What can you tell me about the people who live here?”
And the Sufi master replies “What can you tell me about the people who live where you come from?”
“Ah” says the visitor in fond remembrance, “they are wonderful people. They’re kind, gentle & compassionate. They look after each other.”
“Well now ”says the Sufi master “Isn’t that a coincidence? That’s exactly what they’re like here.”
🙂#1716798supergold April 16, 2019 at 12:58 pm
I really like that Lilith. Create your own reality. What you think, you create.
Supergold-Wainuiomata (Wellington)#1716880lilith7 April 17, 2019 at 11:53 am
I’ve recently read again Idries Shah, Tales of the dervishes,SG; some really interesting parables in it,too. Most of us will have come across this one about the blind men & the elephant.
Three blind men find themselves in the presence of the Great Elephant.
Each, trembling with fear & awe, stumble forward & reach out their hands to discover its nature for themselves. One takes hold of the tail, one a leg, one a tusk. And each is overcome with joy at having directly discovered the nature of the Great Elephant.
The blind man holding the tail announces, ‘The Great Elephant is a broom that cleanses & sweeps all before it.”
The blind man holding the leg is surprised, & protests, “No, the Great Elephant is a magnificent pillar towering above us, guarding us & keeping us safe.”
The blind man holding the tusk is astonished & shouts “No, you’re both wrong. The Great Elephant is a plough that furrows the earth that we may grow crops & have plenty.”
And they fell to fighting & there was no peace in the land.#1716895supergold April 17, 2019 at 12:55 pm
So very true 😥
Thank you for posting, Lilith.
Supergold-Wainuiomata (Wellington)#1717003lilith7 April 18, 2019 at 11:29 am
Last one, slightly longer but interesting & very human.
The story of fire, a delightful Sufi story about how to pass on knowledge.
By Ahmed el-Bedavi (d. 1276), founder of the Egyptian Bedavi Sufi Order. Retold by Idries Shah
Once upon a time a man was contemplating the ways in which Nature operates, and he discovered, because of his concentration and application, how fire could be made.
This man was called Nour [Light]. He decided to travel from one community to another, showing people his discovery.
Nour passed the secret to many groups of people. Some took advantage of the knowledge. Others drove him away, thinking that he must be dangerous, before they had had time to understand how valuable this discovery could be to them. Finally, a tribe before which he demonstrated became so panic-stricken that they set about him and killed him, being convinced that he was a demon.
Centuries passed. The first tribe which had learned about fire reserved the secret for their priests, who remained in affluence and power while the people froze.
The second tribe forgot the art and worshipped instead the instruments. The third worshipped a likeness of Nour himself, because it was he who had taught them. The fourth retained the story of the making of fire in their legends: some believed them, some did not. The fifth community really did use fire, and this enabled them to be warmed, to cook their food, and to manufacture all kinds of useful articles.
After many, many years, a wise man and a small band of his disciples were travelling through the lands of those tribes. The disciples were amazed at the variety of rituals which they encountered; and one and all said to their teacher: ‘But all these procedures are in fact related to the making of fire, nothing else. We should reform these people!’
The teacher said: ‘Very well, then. We shall restart our journey. By the end of it, those who survive will know the real problems and how to approach them.
When they reached the first tribe, the band was hospitably received. The priests invited the travellers to attend their religious ceremony, the making of fire. When it was over, and the tribe was in a state of excitement at the event which they had witnessed, the master said: ‘Does anyone wish to speak?’
The first disciple said: ‘In the cause of Truth I feel myself constrained to say something to these people.’
‘If you will do so at your own risk, you may do so,’ said the master.
Now the disciple stepped forward in the presence of the tribal chief and his priests and said: ‘I can perform the miracle which you take to be a special manifestation of deity. If I do so, will you accept that you have been in error for so many years?’
But the priests cried: ‘Seize him!’ and the man was taken away, never to be seen again.
The travellers went to the next territory where the second tribe were worshipping the instruments of fire-making. Again a disciple volunteered to try to bring reason to the community.
With the permission of the master, he said: ‘I beg permission to speak to you as reasonable people. You are worshipping the means whereby something may be done, not even the thing itself. Thus you are suspending the advent of its usefulness. I know the reality that lies at the basis of this ceremony.’
This tribe was composed of more reasonable people. But they said to the disciple: ‘You are welcome as a traveler and stranger in our midst. But, as a stranger, foreign to our history and customs, you cannot understand what we are doing. You make a mistake. Perhaps, even, you are trying to take away or alter our religion. We therefore decline to listen to you.’
The travellers moved on.
When they arrived in the land of the third tribe, they found before every dwelling an idol representing Nour, the original fire-maker. The third disciple addressed the chiefs of the tribe:
‘This idol represents a man, who represents a capacity, which can be used.’
‘This may be so,’ answered the Nour-worshippers, ‘but the penetration of the real secret is only for the few.’
‘It is only for the few who will understand, not for those who refuse to face certain facts,’ said the third disciple.
‘This is rank heresy, and from a man who does not even speak our language correctly, and is not a priest ordained in our faith,’ muttered the priests. And he could make no headway.
The band continued their journey, and arrived in the land of the fourth tribe. Now a fourth disciple stepped forward in the assembly of people.
‘The story of making fire is true, and I know how it may be done,’ he said.
Confusion broke out within the tribe, which split into various factions. Some said: ‘This may be true, and if it is, we want to find out how to make fire.’ When these people were examined by the master and his followers, however, it was found that most of them were anxious to use firemaking for personal advantage, and did not realize that it was something for human progress.
So deep had the distorted legends penetrated into the minds of most people that those who thought that they might in fact represent truth were often unbalanced ones, who could not have made fire even if they had been shown how.
There was another faction, who said: ‘Of course the legends are not true. This man is just trying to fool us, to make a place for himself here.’
And a further faction said: ‘We prefer the legends as they are, for they are the very mortar of our cohesion. If we abandon them, and we find that this new interpretation is useless, what will become of our community then?’
And there were other points of view, as well.
So the party travelled on, until they reached the lands of the fifth community, where firemaking was a commonplace, and where other preoccupations faced them.
The master said to his disciples:
“You have to learn how to teach, for man does not want to be taught. First of all, you will have to teach people how to learn. And before that you have to teach them that there is still something to be learned. They imagine that they are ready to learn. But they want to learn what they imagine is to be learned, not what they have first to learn. When you have learned all this, then you can devise the way to teach. Knowledge without special capacity to teach is not the same as knowledge and capacity.”#1717013supergold April 18, 2019 at 12:24 pm
Great post Lilith. One can only learn with an open mind. Preconceptions dam the flow of energy and capacity to learn something new.
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Whenever you see persecution, there is more than a probability that truth lies on the persecuted side.
Hugh Latimer (1487 – 1555)
It's ok if you disagree with me. I can't force you to be right.#1717072jensMemberMember since: May 3, 2006
Replies: 7636jens April 19, 2019 at 4:08 pm
Could this not apply in principle also to the evasion of – or veto on – economic truths discussion, halcyon ?#1717179supergold April 20, 2019 at 6:38 pm
This is just a beautifully written piece; and so true. Take a couple of minutes to read it. You’ll be glad you did.
A WINTER FRIEND
I first started reading this quite fast until I reached the third sentence. I stopped then and started over, reading slower, and thinking about every word… it makes you stop and think.
So, please READ SLOWLY!
AND THEN IT IS WINTER
You know time has a way of moving quickly and catching you unaware of the passing years. It seems like yesterday that I was young, just married, and embarking on my new life with my mate. Yet in a way, it seems like eons ago, and I wonder where all those years went.
I know I lived them all. I have glimpses of how it was back then and of all my hopes and dreams. But, here it is… the winter of my life, and it catches me by surprise… How did I get here so fast? Where did the years go and where did my youth go? I remember well seeing older people through the years and thinking that those “older people” were years away from me and that winter was so far off that I could not fathom it or imagine fully what it would be like.
But, here it is…my friends are retired and getting grey… they move slower and I see an older person in myself now. Some are in better and some worse shape than me… but, I see the great change… Not like the ones that I remember who were young and vibrant…but, like me, their age is beginning to show and we are now those older folks that we used to see and never thought we’d be.
Each day now, I find that just getting a shower is a real target for the day! And taking a nap is not a treat anymore… it’s mandatory! Cause if I don’t on my own free will… I just fall asleep where I sit!
And so… now I enter this new season of my life unprepared for all the aches and pains and the loss of strength and ability to go and do things that I wish I had done but never did!! But, at least I know, that though the winter has come, and I’m not sure how long it will last… this I know, that when it’s over on this earth… it’s over. A new adventure will begin!
Yes, I have regrets. There are things I wish I hadn’t done… things I should have done, but indeed, there are also many things I’m happy to have done. It’s all in a lifetime.
So, if you’re not in your winter yet… let me remind you, that it will be here faster than you think. So, whatever you would like to accomplish in your life, please do it quickly! Don’t put things off too long!! Life goes by quickly. So, do what you can TODAY, as you can never be sure whether this is your winter or not!
You have no promise that you will see all the seasons of your life… so, LIVE FOR TODAY and say all the things that you want your loved ones to remember… and hope that they appreciate and love you for all the things that you have done for them in all the years past!!
“Life” is a GIFT to you. The way you live your life is your gift to those who come after. Make it a fantastic one.
Remember: “It is Health that is real Wealth and not pieces of gold and silver.”
Old age is a privilege denied to many so enjoy what you have been blessed with.
~Your kids are becoming you……but your grandchildren are perfect!
~Going out is good.. coming home is even better!
~You forget names… but it’s OK, because other people forgot they even knew you!!!
~You realize you’re never going to be really good at anything…. especially golf.
~The things you used to care to do, you no longer care to do, but you really do care that you don’t care to do them anymore.
~You sleep better on a lounge chair with the TV blaring than in bed. It’s called “pre-sleep.”
~You miss the days when everything worked with just an “ON” and “OFF” switch..
~You tend to use more 4 letter words … “what?”…”when?”…???
~Now that you can afford expensive jewellery, it’s not safe to wear it anywhere.
~You notice everything they sell in stores is “sleeveless?!”
~What used to be freckles are now liver spots.
~You have 3 sizes of clothes in your closet…. 2 of which you will never wear.
~But “Old” is good in some things:
Old Songs, Old movies …
and best of all, our dear …OLD FRIENDS!!
Stay well, “OLD FRIEND!”
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