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    Motivation for the  best  stewardship is ownership.

    That’s why the  best utilization of  useless, neglected,  idle or  poorly managed  or  cultivated  land is – for the benefit of all –    achieved  through  ownership, and  not by  a   class of  servant/stewards who  have  no personal  risky austerity motivation nor will for  any extra  efforts that MIGHT  be an improvement of the  use of it.

    However  –  as there is  only a limited  area of  land in existence, we can  rejoice in the knowledge, that responsibility for innovation  stifling  servitude can still be overcame  and enriched  by  building up  capital ownership  creation   and management  in other  areas than land.

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    Relentless  takeover of NZs prime rural land is not good for our country but more importantly  it is in   Who owns the guts of the economy  perhaps one  should focus. Take banks as one example.all owned  outright  or dominated by transnational corporations.Making   transnational corporations pay their fair share of tax is just one bit of tinkering &The Panama Papers  where New Zealand was identified as pivotal in worlds rich hiding their money.One Question remains too. Who are the 28  people given secret citizenship at the discretion of The National Government?

    Dr.Livingstone
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    Motivation for the best stewardship is ownership.

    Motivation for the best use of the language is clearly not forums or politics but we get the picture jens you like proprietors more than caregivers because you recognize greed as being purely motivational and you think with your wallet when motivation is required.

    That’s why the best utilization of useless, neglected, idle or poorly managed or cultivated land is – for the benefit of all – achieved through ownership….

    Ha ha 🙂 best utilization through ownership? how does that work if its owned it is utilized? your days of spinning are in decline jens that is just sad … what if the owner is just land banking? is that the best utilization– for the benefit of all – quite common in auckland where there is a housing shortage….can you supply reliable evidence to support your spinning’s?

    Or should we just smile and say Jens is just another confused “Act Supporter” thinking with their wallet (for the moment only)… next you will be telling us that a savings plan will cure indigestion without spending a cent 🙂

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    Yes critic – congratulations that  you have  become to understand that generally –

    ownership utilizes assets with  more  love, care and  risks taking  responsibility than what  stewardship is normally entitled or prepared  to  do –

    which is somewhat reflected  also in your own explicit dissatisfaction e.g.   with  authorized govt. stewardship of electricity  assets, when selling some of those assets to  release some  capital  for other   stewardship commitments,  and transfer some potentially profitability  and sustainability destroying sectional interest political  power  over those assets to more  profitability and sustainability  focused  private  ownership.

    Buying land for just holding it  without  utilizing it  does not  seem to be  much different from e.g. hoarding  gold – and you have  done a good deed  to the seller with  your savings  he needed for  whatever purpose – and  you make a profit or loss  when you need  to sell it – or get an offer  you cannot refuse – but until that  time  arrives,  you still have to pay  your rates on that  non-utilized  land.   Isn’t that  fair  enough, critic?

    Where is the empty  land  “banked” in Auckland  that  causes  the  housing shortage ?

    Have  you got the  evidence, or are  you “spinning”?

    The more  people  congregate in one  area, do not  the prices   paid for  available land reflect the  most  effectively fair  allocation of that  land ?

    Are you  jealous of the Henderson  gardeners etc  for  their  land  becoming  so desirable  for  subdivision ?

    And  yes –   even  indigestion that  requires  professional  help and medicine requires  saving a  cent to  reward the doctor and medicine producer, and a savings  scheme  makes  sure  you have  more of those  cents than when  nothing is saved.

    Cheers  –  critic !

     

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    which is somewhat reflected also in your own explicit dissatisfaction e.g. with authorized govt. stewardship of electricity assets, when selling some of those assets to release some capital for other stewardship commitments, and transfer some potentially profitability and sustainability destroying sectional interest political power over those assets to more profitability and sustainability focused private ownership.

    Still not very good at spinning there jens…

    I have no problem with the government selling property it owns or came by honestly and legally (although I suspect you are confusing the corporation with the government half the time so its hard to interpret your posts) …

    I do have a problem with the apparent confusion between “stewardship and ownership” that is being fostered but the dictionary has clear interpretations if you bother to have a wee look…. and of course my gripe is really about the ownership of the various properties associated with infrastructure that now belong to the corporations because those seeking pecuniary advantage in this banana democracy decided to ignore principles, conventional standards of practice and/or law and script our interests away utilizing positions of trust or fiduciary relationships.

    Being ignorant of the Laws or the culture of our laws doesn’t make the obvious truth go away no matter how twisted you choose to get about things the crimes act 1961 makes it abundantly clear that concealing of and transferring interests in property is (without limitations?)….. a “serious crime” … which you support

    Where is the empty land “banked” in Auckland that causes the housing shortage ?

    Get a grip jens …I can hop in the car and see more than one example in a very short distance … one such example is beside the Henderson high school where the councils pensioner flats were (before being ripped out) the roads water phone and power were all connected but the land is just sitting waiting for the opportunistic owner to strike … having council flats was probably not as profitable as those serving in positions of trust desired so my guess is somebody had a friend who had the similar mental attitude to private ownership which you have…. check for yourself …GOOGLE 🙂

    Are you jealous of the Henderson gardeners etc for their land becoming so desirable for subdivision ?

    Well Jens how much food will the Henderson “gardeners” be able to harvest from the subdivision? or did you believe that us westies only do gardening for commercial gain and we like trading in our gardens so that we have the money to purchase that plastic tasting imported food?

    The more people congregate in one area, do not the prices paid for available land reflect the most effectively fair allocation of that land ?

    No .. as in “not at all” … do all act party supporters think like that?

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    Well critic – I am pleased  to learn that   there  still is plenty of  vacant “banked land”  existing  in Auckland, and  the  land  cost  crisis  is not  as  serious  as in Hong Kong.

    To keep matters simple and open  for  constructive discussion  in search of  living standards  improving  policies,  I still  seek  agreement  with you,  that   all the  economic misbehavior  and  shortcomings  in NZ and the  world –  exposed and complained  about  by  you, Dr. Livingstone and   many others –

    is not  bad  enough in NZ  to make it impossible to build  up  personal and  national wealth  ownership  to the  level of  poverty  prevention and elimination through  more  capital ownership individually and nationally.

    On this, the  government   has promised  to initiate a modest start  already,  so does it make  you feel  good in support of this initiative, and/or  what  do  you  think  could be  made  better  to promote NZ ownership ?

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    Well critic – I am pleased to learn that there still is plenty of vacant “banked land” existing in Auckland, and the land cost crisis is not as serious as in Hong Kong.

    yes.. I understand you are pleased with the concept of ownership but you have yet to explain how “everyone” benefits from land-banking rather than just the opportunists who’s fiddle you play

    That’s why the best utilization of useless, neglected, idle or poorly managed or cultivated land is – for the benefit of all – achieved through ownership

    Or did you really mean by “best utilization”… “most profitable utilization for minorities?” because that would hardly be “for the benefit of all” …So you neglected the glaringly obvious truth (yet again)…. did you want to try another spin on that?

    Now as this thread is about who owns nz I will help get your mind out of “saving Silly” mode and suggest that australian banks have got us by the “you know whats” because there are too many folk that are that bedazzled they don’t know when they have been robbed by the servants/chauffeur or they are incapable of fathoming the long term effects of having financed bodies serving in positions of trust that either ignore or openly “FLOUT” the laws (behavior which you try hard to mitigate but fail)

    what do you think could be made better to promote NZ ownership ?

    Selling NZ would be a way to promote ownership what other method has been tried?
    How did you miss that it has pretty much already been done along with our autonomy… were you still in your vault counting your 30 pieces of silver?
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    Well critic – even though”banked land” ownership might not be  the   best and most productive  utilization of it, aren’t  we all still better off in a “roundabout way”  that this vacant  land  exists (for  potential better  usage), than  if  it  did not  exist at all ?

    And if  the Australian  bank lends  you Australian  owned money  to buy a  house – does it not  help you and NZ  to become  more  wealthy, doesn’t it ?

    If we  save  enough and have  plenty “pieces  of  silver”,  could we  not  buy an  Australian  bank just  the  same way they  bought  a NZ bank ?

    I  think most of our  Grownups are  mature  enough to  understand  that  the  more  a person or a country owns, the  more  wealthy is that  person or  country.

    And  as we all (?)  think it  deplorable , undesirable  or “wicked” if a monopoly  owns  all the  wealth, don’t you think, critic,  that widespread  personal  ownership  by all the  citizens  is more democratic, fair  and effective for  national and personal  welfare, than the status  quo of  haves and have-nots ?

    And that  therefore  a universal wealth ownership creative  savings effort  with  participation by all is the  best  way  to  increase NZ ownership  and  prosperity ?

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    And so another thread becomes Jens’ private playground where only Critic goes to play.

     

    🌊Arandar🏄🏽‍♀️

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    Why, arandar – have you  no ideas at  all  about how to maintain and  improve NZ ownership ?

    If  you  really are interested in that  subject matter,  why  not  want to  comment  on it and  keep  your  views  secret?

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