- #1704247kai December 4, 2018 at 10:13 pm
Sorry all on Gups been away from here for ages . Please forgive the out of date comments!!!
Someone mentioned to us the other day (out at Sea )that there was an idea ,,think it was somewhere in Australia,,, (but stand corrected) that they want to bring in no gender on a birth certificate.in a certain state !!
It May have been discussed on here already,, and if so apologies,, as haven’t caught up,, Still behind the 8 ball
Just want to say that we can now determine gender of our Moko and also our own children on a scan before they are born.
Why would a Child(whose brain is still developing ) have the choice if they wanted to be a boy or a girl .???.When we were 10, wanted to be a nurse ,,,,at 15 wanted to be a model?? EG
We were created,,, that we were male and female (in our own here,,observance of life from a Medical point of view,,, Through 1st hand experience,and study,
and a lifetime of real life experiences,, and come what may. That'”s where we start and end ..
This of course is a personal opinion and others may disagree ..
Cheers From Kai#1704250kai December 4, 2018 at 10:25 pm
Sorry wasn’t sure what area to put this in so put it in Current affairs !!!
Cheers From Kai#1704251betty126001MemberMember since: January 2, 2018
Replies: 3betty126001 December 5, 2018 at 4:25 am
There are some people however who are born as hermaphrodites. There have been instances in recent history where these people have been listed as one gender at birth, and on occasions as a child when they have been too young to give consent have been operated on with parental consent to make them one sex, but who later identify as the other gender. So it is not as clear as some people think.#1704482kai December 7, 2018 at 5:56 pm
I agree Betty,there are some like that it’s true.
I was more referring to the fact of on the Birth certificate ,not having male or female as a requirement. The idea they wanted ,was letting the child decide for itself.
I don’t know if it will be bought in or not..
Hope I didn’t mislead you in what I was trying to say.
Cheers From Kai#1704488vale019MemberMember since: August 20, 2012
Replies: 19213vale019 December 7, 2018 at 7:16 pm
Hi Kai, great to see you back, our wee busy buzzy bee.
Hi Betty, nice to meet you 😀
re some people who are born as hermaphrodites… I would think those cases would be relatively rare and special provision (e.g. a deferred decision in regard to gender) could possibly be made for them but for all other births I can see no good reason why the gender shouldn’t be shown on the child’s birth records.#1704501sir-nigel-gresleyMemberMember since: January 10, 2017
Replies: 941sir-nigel-gresley December 7, 2018 at 10:55 pm
Male and female each have different reproductive bits, and that should determine what the child is surely. 🙄
Happy Valley#1704503betty126001MemberMember since: January 2, 2018
Replies: 3betty126001 December 8, 2018 at 8:09 am
All good Kai and Vale 019 ☺ It is an interesting subject and in the past bas been so sad for some rare cases where the child was operated on but later identified with the opposite gender.#1704504halcyonMemberMember since: May 4, 2014
Replies: 4665halcyon December 8, 2018 at 8:10 am
Unfortunately not these days Sir-n-g. It is surprising what surgery can do.
However, this current trend is questionable. I am thinking of the guy Jenner. He completed in the Olympics as a man. He then self identifies as a woman yet he is in a relationship with a woman. Sounds queer to me.
I behave therefore I am.
(Apologies to B F Skinner and Rene Descartes)#1704515lilith7MemberMember since: April 9, 2017
Replies: 1733lilith7 December 8, 2018 at 10:42 am
I’m not sure its a trend;more a willingness to understand that as Betty said, some babies can’t readily be classified as either male or female & probably this move would be in recognition of that.#1704555vale019MemberMember since: August 20, 2012
Replies: 19213vale019 December 8, 2018 at 6:26 pm
Male and female each have different reproductive bits, and that should determine what the child is surely.
Sir Nigel – sometimes it is not always as straightforward as that – as Betty says, by a freak of nature some babies are born as hermaphrodites. How is that child’s gender shown on their birth certificate?
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