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    paulinem
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    A winner to me for Winston or NZ 1st is the latest announcement to insist on a referendum to decrease Parliament  from 120 to 100 and to abolish the Maori only seats.   I suspect I am like a lot of kiwis whom are sick of the racisim  of having special Maori seats. I see this as in appropriate for NZ today …..

    I understand why in the 19th century why it was needed but not today in 2017…Today we ALL have the same opportunities or problems in how we make our lives. and we should be goverened as such. As Winston correctly said Buck Shelford would never have said dont tackle me as I am Maori ….. he like all of us used his talent to get into the All Blacks not by been given special treatment  because of the  Maori DNA he had  in his body.

    #1631477
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    Ah, Dr. Livingstone – but if all the parties are more in the service of sectional interests than in the universal interests of all, then democratic discussion on the pros and cons of compulsory savings in principle and the ways to operate it – might achieve some progress along that line, or at least the knowledge on why it is not the basic cure for all economic and social deficiencies –

    whereas evading this discussion leaves us uninformed and stuck where we are.

    However – reality will teach us eventually – but hopefully well before we vote ourselves into unsustainability.

    #1631487
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    Rob023
    Can you quote your source for your claim that the Greens are opposed to the oil industry?

    Cheers 🙂

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    Paulinem
    It seems there is dissension in the ranks in NZ First.
    Mr Peters wants the country to vote on the future of the seats in a referendum while Mr Jones wants Māori to determine their future.

    Morning Report’s Kim Hill pressed Mr Peters again but he held the line and said “No, it wasn’t this month”.

    But Mr Jones was officially a New Zealand First candidate when he made the comments just 15 days ago.

    However, it ignores the fact that the five-yearly Māori electoral option already provides a de-facto referendum on this question.

    If enough Māori voters decide to switch from the Māori to the General electoral rolls during this option period, then the Māori seats automatically will cease to exist. But instead 55 percent of all Māori voters prefer to be on the Māori roll and thus want the Māori seats to continue.

    That said I doubt he will get it as a policy as the National Party won’t want to upset the Maori Party and the Labour Party won’t want to lose the Maori seats.

    It is interesting to note that back in the 1996 election NZ First held all of the Maori seats. of course that was before Winston betrayed his supporters and the party subsequently split.

    It is interesting that Winston is trying to emulate Brash with Brash’s Orewa speech which lifted the National Party out of the doldrums

    Cheers 🙂

    #1631493
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    On the subject of reducing the number of MPs from 120 to 100. We should remember that the Parliament’s Justice and Electoral Committee in a 2006 report stated:

    “The current number of 120 members ensures proportionality and diversity in Parliament and thus contributes to its effectiveness; and we consider it essential that these benefits are not compromised. We do not consider that New Zealand is over-represented compared with other countries, especially given that it is a unicameral system.”

    Simply put, Peters is promising voters the chance to make a decision that would have demonstrably bad consequences for Parliament as an institution and would result in far worse representation than presently exists. That makes the decision to hold the Brexit referendum look wise by comparison.

    So bad policy but good for support.

    Cheers 🙂

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    Jimmy Shaw is going to tax oil exploring which means petrol prices will rise but Jimmy doesn’t have to worry as he has a Government vehicle to go and get his groceries etc . All Jimmies henchman are in the same boat so why should they worry about the price of petrol.
    Any voter that votes for N.Z.Greeny Firsts will get what they deserve if this stupid outfit ever got the treasury benches.

    BSOPER

    A VOICE OF THE SOUTH

    #1631522
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    If I remember correctly Winston’s party split was caused by his Maori mates, Henare and Tuku Morgan, and others. Trouble is Maori politicians cannot agree to disagree, they fight within themselves, then form another party. No substance, they need to work together. Maori have the choice of voting on the Maori roll, or the General role. Non-Maori have no choice.

    Happy Valley

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    Hero42

    The oil industry would’t exist but for drilling for oil.

    New Zealand Greens launch plan to ban deep sea oil drilling

    Can you please show the formula you used to calculate the net interest per month on a $1,000,000 bank term investment.

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    in what ways do 7 Maori seats diminish 113 General seats?

    Why should non-Maori decide for Maori when the Maori seats should go?

    If fewer Maori opt to go on or remain on the Maori Roll then there will be fewer seats. The opposite is also true.

    Currently, 55% are on the Maori Roll, 45% on the General Roll.  Time will tell which way this will go. I for one am fully prepared to give it all the time it needs.

    Funnily enough, it was Peters himself, the Great Deceiver, who caused me to opt off the Maori Roll. I’d believed his promises to remove the Nats  from the treasury benches. I couldn’t tolerate his deceit. Not then and never again.

    As usual, he’s playing his race cards, anti Maori, anti-immigrant, nationalist, and now this nonsense about restarting the child discipline debate yet again.  Gods, the man is so stale he’s only good for toast.

    However, the grumpy old white conservatives love this stuff so, I guess, he’ll get a great reception and plenty of votes.

    🌊Arandar🏄🏽‍♀️

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    “Grumpy, old, white, conservative,” yes that is me.  😉 There is room for all types of voters.

    Happy Valley

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