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    mommabear70
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    Drlivingstone, what’s this the minimum roll funding provision for charter schools but not for state schools?

    Tuturumuri school Near Martinborough, has no pupils and no fulltime staff, yet remains open for ants and flies perhaps, and continues to get its annual operating costs of about $250,000 from taxpayers.

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    Unfortunately mommabear, the teacher’s unions are continuing to propagate false news in respect of the costs of Charter Schools. However, they are silent on the costs of running some of our state schools . Last year I was able to access the cost of one South Waikato School where the cost per student was in excess of $10,000.per year.

    Of cause the difference is State School teachers and union members whereas Charter School teachers are not.

     

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    Halcyon, so that one school with say 100 pupils costs $1.0 million to run.

    That’s probably good value when a school with no pupils and no fulltime staff, costs $250,000.

    Or would your school example be $10,000 per pupil plus $xxxxx per teacher plus $250,000 I wonder.

    But this year, with all the extra add-ons such as driving lessons, maori instruction, meals 1-2 times a day, health checks, career vocation, that same school cost could easily be up 50% to $1.5 million. Not chicken feed.
    A good chunk of the extra required would be for an electric powered vehicle with dual controls. Not a good idea to teach tomorrow’s drivers how to drive in an old technology motor vehicle.

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    Not quite that bad mommabear, my calculations were based on: U1 Principal’s salary (for a teaching Principal), o.3 classroom release Teacher, and decile 3 operational grant. A small amount was added for 5ya and 10ya payments. I didn’t worry about the minor items (like the Principal’s laptop) that the Ministry fund.

    And I disagree with you re learning to drive in an old technology motor vehicle, I learned to drive in a “Baby Austin” and made the transition to our modern automatic without any problems. I believe that learning to drive in older vehicles actually improves one’s ability.

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    halcyon, my reference to learning to drive in an electric powered vehicle was made Bob Jones style.

    I agree learning to drive in an old technology motor vehicle would definitely improve one’s ability.
    How about having to put your arm out the window to indicate turning or stopping while at the same time feet on clutch and brake pedals and floor gear changes? I even recall a relative giving the vacuum wipers a helping hand under the dashboard when driving uphill.

    Couldn’t do any of that while fiddling with a mobile phone.

     

     

     

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    Heck mommabear, your age is showing. You must nearly be as old as me.  🙂

    And please do not use satire on these pages. You are likely to upset some people just as Bob did.

    Actually what Bob did was to draw attention to a belief that is held by a minority of the population. )Obviously not a view he holds himself). It is a pity his comments were not use to address that minority view. However, as I repeatedly say; “those who do not have the skills to debate the issue revert to attacking the person”. Personal attacks are far easier as they require no knowledge.

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    Union bashing does not alter the truth that the Teachers’ Union is telling about charter schools. Calling teachers liars doesn’t help your cause.

    The problem with the right wing is that they don’t like facts getting in the way of their utter BS.

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    In that case Dr-Who please tell us what percentages of the current NZ Charter Schools are run by businesses for a profit. According to the information published in the media and attributed to NZEI and PPTA, the Charter Schools are run by businesses. Now possibly  the media are lying and it behaves NZEI and PPTA to ensure the media is corrected.

    Secondly, of the alleged profit these businesses are running, how much of the profit is being paid out as dividends to shareholders.  This information is available as all the Charter School financial reports are available in the public domain.

    If you can provide that information and establish I am in error then I will apologise.

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    You’d think that with a chronic teacher shortage, the govt would be bending over backwards to get qualified teachers here, but no..they want to make it harder for them.

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/education/101355402/uktrained-teachers-frustrated-by-hassle-of-getting-into-nz-classrooms

    Early childhood teacher Donna Hayday had UK qualifications, but was told she had to re-train in NZ.

     With a science degree, a recognised teaching certificate and six years of experience, British-trained teacher Catherine Barak thought she would be a shoo-in for a job here.
    But she wasn’t and more than 10 years later, she’s still not teaching in a New Zealand primary school.
    She discovered she had to complete a Teacher Education Refresher (TER) course at a cost of $4000.

    Experienced early childhood teacher Donna Hayday is also out of her preferred profession after her UK qualifications were not accepted and she was told she would have to complete a three-year degree.

    The bureaucracy is out of control.

     

     

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    dr-who  😀  😀

    Dr.Livingstone
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