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    halcyon
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    So the negotiations have wrapped up. I thought this thread would be pulsing as people made predictions as to the likely outcome.

    According to Newshub about an hour ago Winston said “… there are still nine possible permutations for a new Government.” Now that is interesting. My calculations initially were there was only two permutations. Either a coalition with Labour/ Green, or a coalition with National.

    Now it sounds like Winston is considering all options:

    Agreement to provide supply and confidence for National

    Agreement to provide supply and confidence for Labour/ Green

    Agreement to refrain from voting on votes of supply and confidence  for Labour/ Green

    Agreement to refrain from voting on votes of supply and confidence for National

    Allowing National to form a minority government whereby National would need to gain support from another party to pass legislation. This could be on a issue by issue basis.

    Can anyone think of the missing two permutations?

    My preference would be the last option listed. It would allow all parties to get some of their policies implemented. (We’ll support your bill if you support our bill).

    #1646208
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    Any one of them will result in chaos.
    What a farcical system where a party that gets 7% of the vote gets to make the rules.

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    Good eh mommabear. I’m just loving it.  🙂 I reckon NZF will go with the Nats.  😉

    Happy Valley

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    I see another election in 2018 in which the Winston party doesn’t even make 5%.

    #1646211
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    Actually, it could as easily be said that either National or Labour and the Greens will decide whether to go into coalition with NZ1st.

    It seems mischievous to me for journalists, pundits and supporters of one side or the other to keep giving Peters all this so called power, tail wagging dog nonsense.

    The options listed above are all possible.

    Either of the two senior parties could walk at any time as could the two junior parties.

    What part of negotiation do people not understand?

    🌊Arandar🏄🏽‍♀️

    #1646275
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    arandar, great post. You have identified the truth in an unbiased way.

    I also get peed off with the ignorance of some of these so called political correspondents/editors who are demonstrating a abysmal lack of knowledge about politics. There appears to be a negative correlation between circulation size and intelligence of the comment. Those with the great audience show the least intelligence.

    And we wonder why people are confused.   🙄   🙄   🙄

    PS: I have just read a report on Newshub where Patrick Gower is moaning about all discussions so far being around policy. He has just proven my point above. What a dipstick.

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    I think the media is getting fed up at not being fed lots of information about negotiations & is being mischievous. I think they – & we – need to get used to MMP & not expect instant results.

     

    The Dutch have had to wait far longer – 208 days.

     

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/oct/09/dutch-politicians-ready-form-government-election-coalition

    “The prime minister, Mark Rutte, is expected to present a rocky four-party coalition to his MPs on Monday, 208 days after his liberal VVD party won the March polls.

    The negotiations have been the longest to form a new government in modern Dutch history and will be officially presented to parliament on Tuesday, when the process of appointing ministers will begin.”

    We should count ourselves lucky. 😎

    #1646329
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    The Germans may take five months. They don’t seem to be panicking either.

    Besides, we have a caretaker govt. They can take care of the day to day business.

    We have a full house of MPs; if anything out of the ordinary needs to be decided, the caretakers will take it to the Parliament and the MPs will debate it and decide it – possibly with the good of the country at the front of their minds rather than the outcomes for their party and opposition.

    Don’t panic Mr Mainwaring! Keep calm and carry on.

    🌊Arandar🏄🏽‍♀️

    #1646361
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    Halycon
    One other permutation would be a coalition with Labour and the Greens providing supply and confidence.

    The other I think would be to support no one and force another election.

    Cheers 🙂

    #1646362
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    The journalists are just upset because they spent months talking about what position Winston might want and then he confounds them by talking policy with the two main parties.

    Cheers 🙂

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