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    lilith7
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    I don’t believe so Halycon – why would you think that? We’ve always had solo parents,perhaps due to the wars we keep having,yet somehow solo parents manage to bring up kids whether in poor conditions or otherwise.

    Probably the reason these days at least here, is more likely to be the low wage/low benefit levels together with high prices.

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    Well a widow with children would be eligible for a widows benefit. With a bit of luck a mother whose husband has walked out on his family is receiving money from said husband while he could be supporting another family. Then a young lass who became pregnant while in a defacto relationship does not even have to name the father if the new Govt. has its way, and could become in clover with a State house and possibly another one or two babies. Way to go it would seem. They appear to not be called upon for responsibility for theirs and said babies plight. Are they perhaps not very  bright or  very smart ? In all cases it appears that mum is always left “holding the baby”  So sad.

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    I am not surprised, critic –

    Jens I am speechless because you don´t make sense usually, but you seem to make an extra effort in that field when you either try to change the subject or get a tad infantile while trying to tell us how to blow eggs.

    While I can sympathize with you having a god that is easily produced like money … I do think you need to come to terms with the real laws of physics (you clearly do not understand) one of which goes something like ….

    The world (“DOES NOT” revolve around the dollar, It) revolves around the Sun.

    What this means jens is that if the monetary system that is currently being propped up with piles of do do´s, suddenly came to an end….

    Life will go on The planet will still revolve around the sun and we will still breed like rabbits

    Would it surprise you to learn that the planet does not revolve around capitalism?
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    Yes critic –  life  goes on as it  happened after the end of WW2, and the Soviet Union….

    through invigorated  capitalism, because  too much  of the capital owned  by the losers was  consumed…

    You are  quite right in  that the  physical  world  and  planets  do not not revolve around  capitalism – but as  already has been explained  somewhere, where  life is  concerned which  does  not receive  its energy  directly from  nature ,  everything – survival and  growth –  depends   on capitalism,   beginning  from  birth with the  food  reserves  (e.g. egg-white) saved  for  feeding the  new  life  in the  form of  the egg yolk.

    Did you not know that either – or explain why you think it might be wrong or irrelevant ?

    And the dollar is not  capitalism, it is only a means  to make capitalism  and human survival and interdependence more  simple and efficient.

    Even the young Soviet Union gave up  on the  theory of  “cash-less”  communism (as perhaps feasible within a small family)  very soon.

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    Lilith7 you ask ” why would you think that?”  The answer is two fold.<b></b><i></i><u></u>

    a) research shows that the percentage  single parent households who live in poverty is great than two parent households.

    b) from personal experience. My first wife and I had two girls, age about 11 and 8, when our marriage fell over. At that time we were both working and had a comfortable middle class lifestyle .We had lived in our house for a good number of years and the mortgage payments were minimal.  After the split my ex-wife remain remained in the house and all the furniture. The only thing was that she did not have a car. I took the car and had the expense of setting up again, all second hand furniture for a one bedroom flat.

    Even though I made weekly payments to support our girls her standard of living was greatly reduced. As was mine. Remember, if nothing else we had two homes to maintain.

    As I look around I see many others in the same situation. This is not a criticism of single parent families, but  a reason that contributes to children living in poverty.

    #1652472
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    where life is concerned which does not receive its energy directly from nature , everything – survival and growth – depends on capitalism, beginning from birth with the food reserves (e.g. egg-white) saved for feeding the new life in the form of the egg yolk.

    I am becoming more and more sure you are “hitting the bottle” or taking some sort of mind bending drugs or intoxicants and unfortunately that’s about all I can make of your post unless I joined you- (don’t reckon I could handle that sorry)… you have a good one though jens and just hang in there …
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    “In vino  veritas”  – can you  accept and  appreciate the  truth only when “hitting the bottle”,  critic ?

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    “In vino veritas” – can you accept and appreciate the truth only when “hitting the bottle”, critic ?

    I can accept and embrace the truth all the time jens does that make you feel like a bit of an egg for asking?

    Its a lot easier when you tell the truth clearly with reliable evidence rather than repeated sentences.
    One can repeat an opinion all day and it still will not necessarily be the truth… you could do with learning the difference.

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    Well critic –  the  evidence that  wealth can be  created only  by  saving and not  consuming  hand-to-mouth all  your income  or  products of your labor is this:

    When you – critic – receive or earn or create with your labor  an income in kind or money  and eat it all, you  remain  just as poor as  you were  before.

    But if  you save  something of your income, you could eventually be not poor,  but wealthy enough to live for a  period without  working at all !

    Can you understand that without the need  to  “hit the bottle” as you  solemnly stated?

    Furthermore,  if you  invest  your  savings in something  useful  or  productive  (e.g. like a digger  to increase  your capacity  of  shoveling)  then –  if there is demand  by others for  your shoveling  capacity – you can even create  jobs  and  incomes for  those poorer than you to operate  your  digger  –  and earn an income  from  your  savings or  capital  –  and  be not  as poor  as  you were  before you  had not  saved  nor invested  anything.

    There  will  be an urgent social  need  to repeat and explain this  again and again as long as  you don’t acknowledge  that   truth or prove it  with  evidence that it is an irrelevant and not a  basic universal truth.

    And once  you  accept it –  then critic and and all concerned –

    we  know the  primary  cause and nature  of poverty and can  discuss  and think about the  fairest and most effective ways  on preventing and  eliminating  poverty with  the  best  chances of  permanent  success.

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    I note that Venezuela has defaulted on a loan repayment to the International Monetary Fund. This country has good oil reserves and has a socialistic government. Unfortunately they can not keep spending money that they do not have.

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