- #1719588gabyoneMemberMember since: November 13, 2008
Replies: 2703gabyone May 18, 2019 at 1:58 pm
Arandar & Huiatahi, I agree with both of your posts.
Sadly those of us classed as white do not experience the racial discrimination that most dark people live with daily.
Also ,on radio this morning, was the pointing out of how little benefit fraud costs us a nation when compared with the huge cost of taxation fraud. Beneficaries are often also discriminated against also while the wealthy tax cheat flies under the radar.
To be white & wealthy seems to excuse many from the prejudice experienced by brown & poor in this country.
Gabyone Auckland region#1719614arandarMemberMember since: November 23, 2009
Replies: 10704arandar May 18, 2019 at 3:14 pm
Agreed but, surely, no one is surprised by it?
After all, in this country and in most of the Western World, to be white, middle class, middle aged and male, is to be where most of the power still is.
I think this is changing, albeit glacially slowly.
I think it’s very interesting that those who are none of those things but who, for whatever reason, are doing well in some area of endeavour, these days tend to be out and proud of their ethnicity, religion, sexuality, gender rather than trying to hide it as was the norm in days gone by.
Arandar#1719654lilith7MemberMember since: April 9, 2017
Replies: 2029lilith7 May 19, 2019 at 10:55 am
I cannot for the life of me,see why asking someone what their ethnicity is could be seen as insulting. We’re all of mixed descent & if we go back far enough,all related.
And yet in our world,its still largely white middle class men who,as others have said,hold the power & they have done for centuries.#1719658paulinemMemberMember since: July 8, 2006
Replies: 914paulinem May 19, 2019 at 11:41 am
Yes Lilth it so easy to blame the bad mean white person to be the racist and of course responsible for any perceived racist problem. Yeap I suspect that was a very PC response in some circles of yours !
I prefer you explained WHY ethnic question even needs to be asked ..WHY is it important in this country we live in 2019 which is a very mixed group these days ?? As Aranda said she has in her being a very mixed ethnic mix, this I suggest Lilth is the reality of NZ today.
Why the ethnic question insulting, well take dad is a Maori/ European and Mum is a Samoan. If Johnny answer the ethnic question I am Maori, hmm Samoans are a very proud race Lilth Mum could feel very insulted. Again I ask what benefit is there asking this ethnic question ?
Could the REAL reason for the ethnic question been important is racial social snobbery , that today it is more SOCIALY acceptable to say I am of Maori ethnic maybe ?
Aranda by the way back in those bad old days you quoted re Maori persecution, I assure you it wasnt just Maoris that were given a hard time. Various religons also did their bit of snobbery and exclusion as well etc
The point is you cannot go back in time and moaning about the past is incredibly negative and unwanted It happened but it is not now time to MOVE on. I suggest you concentrate on the world of 2019 we live in now, as there is also negatives today. Negatives such as do we know our neighbour? are we there to help if a problem occurs? Would we know if a problem occurs with our neighbour?
Now back in the bad old days you like to mention Aranda they did know there neighbours and mostly they were there for them when trouble etc occurred.#1719662don021MemberMember since: May 15, 2012
Replies: 1738don021 May 19, 2019 at 12:45 pm
I don’t understand why some sites ask for our ethnicity, as far as I am concerned everyone living in N.Z. is a New Zealander, or Kiwi if you like, much wild discussion would be avoided if we all accept as being the same status.#1719663paulinemMemberMember since: July 8, 2006
Replies: 914paulinem May 19, 2019 at 1:03 pm
Okay a different topic The Australian election – how do GUPs feel about the result. Myself very disappointing that Dutton was reelected so he will not loose his powerful position in the Australian government. I pity his victims of his influence. I saw on the news that a little handicap boy born In Australia but of Kiwi born parentage is been denied Australian taxpayers help to deal with his problems, because of his parentage. I suspect Dutton is responsible for this decision.#1719664halcyonMemberMember since: May 4, 2014
Replies: 4913halcyon May 19, 2019 at 2:02 pm
I am rather disappointed that Shorten and Labor did not win. I am no fan of Shorten’s but Labor had promised to amend the citizen requirements to ease the path to citizenship of Kiwi who live and work in Aus.
I have a daughter who has spent the last 15 years living, working and paying taxes in Aus. Her two daughters were born there. She has created jobs and employs staff. Yet, because her income fails to meet the requirement she is unable to apply for citizenship.
Surely it is time NZ treated Aussies who come here in the same manner.
It's ok if you disagree with me. I can't force you to be right.#1719755arandarMemberMember since: November 23, 2009
Replies: 10704arandar May 20, 2019 at 10:55 am
You’ll find ethnicity matters a great deal when the media report on any number of negative stats, PaulineM. Distinguishing features are always used when describing a missing person or an alleged criminal. We say such things as ‘Male, Cauc, late teens, early 20s, wearing black hoodie, dark trousers, white trainers’. Wouldn’t be the least bit of use saying ‘Male, New Zealander, etc’. You’re kidding yourself if you think ethnicity doesn’t matter. It matters in all sorts of ways and no, it’s not ‘rude’ because, in this country, it’s not lawful to discriminate on the basis of race, ethnicity, etc etc as I listed above. Of course, discrimination happens all the time, every day, in dozens of ways; but we have the possibility of redress in law. The Maori Battalions came about in part because Maori weren’t allowed to serve in the existing forces. Right up into the 60s Maori weren’t allowed upstairs in many small town picture theatres Nor were Maori women allowed in the lounge bars of many pubs. Many Ethnic New Zealanders suffer terrible discrimination in this country getting jobs, getting flats, getting insulted and assaulted just walking down the street and that’s because of their ethnicity not their nationality; bigots don’t care whether or not they were even born here. Ignoring, pretending it doesn’t matter, is to sweep the problems under the carpet. It is another form of discrimination, IMO, this whole One Nation thing. We are one nation, many peoples and we should cherish our differences.
You chose to ignore most of what I wrote in that post and honed in on a couple of past examples I used, suggesting I was living in the past or carrying a grudge, neither is true.
I used those examples for two reasons, or three since I thought what I’d written in this post ^^^ were some of the current problems ethnic communities face in this country today.
1. Those who ignore history are doomed to repeat it and
2. Surely no one truly believes that by ignoring ethnicity we will rid ourselves of racism?
We’ve just had the most tragic result of ignoring and minimising white supremacy – 51 people died and hundreds of others are injured physically and emotionally – it is a growing threat to minorities around the world.
By the way, I am equally proud of all the ethnic strands that went into making me and I give none higher ‘status’ than another – that anyone does is perhaps another indication of racist thinking?
I don’t run around carrying a sign ‘Ko Maori ahau’ – I merely mention it when and if it’s relevant to the subject at hand – and it is very relevant in a conversation about whether ethnicity is important in the modern world.
Ethnicity, gender, age, sexuality, religion will be important as long as they are still being discriminated against. When people accept any and everyone as equals regardless of difference, only then will those differences no longer ‘matter’.
Arandar#1719759lilith7MemberMember since: April 9, 2017
Replies: 2029lilith7 May 20, 2019 at 11:25 am
” easy to blame the bad mean white person to be the racist and of course responsible for any perceived racist problem. Yeap I suspect that was a very PC response in some circles of yours !”
Perhaps then, Paulinem you can point out the many non white,non male leaders around the world who hold positions of power?
It has nothing to do with “PC” & everything to do with reality, & the reality is that its still mostly white middle class men who wield power.
And as Arandar said,ethnicity can be used very negatively but simply asking for ethnicity on a survey or form of some kind isn’t insulting. I’d suggest that if we object to it we could just put which ethnicity we like most/can easily spell, or, simply say mongrel.#1719797Hero42MemberMember since: July 18, 2008
Replies: 11822Hero42 May 20, 2019 at 12:49 pm
I see Simon is saying that even if National MP Alfred Ngaro splits from National and sets up a Christian values party he won’t give him the Botany seat.
Mr Bridges specifically ruled out the potential of National doing a deal with Ngaro supporting him for the Botany electorate in exchange for the support of his party.
“We will stand a National candidate and we will win that seat for National.”
Now I wonder if that also excludes National from giving him a different safe seat?
Or indeed will Simon extend the logic to stop the rort of MMP in Epsom and get rid of ACT?
Or is it a case of give him Epsom rather than Botany and get rid of ACT in the process.
I wonder how much the referendum on MMP at the next election is influencing National’s thinking on this.
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