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  • #1717463
    paulinem
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    paulinem

    Hero it is a know fact that Cannabis has an effect on the brain, you are obviously a supporter of this weed being legal. 1)  When I was young smoking cigarettes was seen as nornal and harmless. Does it not concern you that this  so called harmless weed may be found in future to be as harmful as smoking  cigarettes is now seen to be now.

    #1717482
    Hero42
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    Hero42

    Paulinem
    I am a supporter of weed being licensed and controlled.

    At the moment anyone can go to a pusher and get weed of unknown strength or quality. Some may not serve the younger buyers but there will always be unscrupulous pushers who will sell to anyone and rebellious youth will find who they can get it from.
    And while the young and impressionable are there the pushers will push harder drugs at them with special offers and free offers and lies about the addictiveness of the drugs to get them hooked on more profitable products.

    Change the system to one where weed is available from licensed premises and we switch from pushers to dealers. The dealers won’t sell to underage youth. The product available will be of known strength and quality with a range of products to choose from. There won’t be harder drugs being pushed onto impressionable people.

    With a range of licensed premises offering a better quality service and product the pushers will go out of business.

    To me that is a much better way of protecting young brains than the current system or a system that allows the pushers to stay in business because people need them when they can’t get a prescription.

    Cheers 🙂

    #1717502
    paulinem
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    paulinem

    Hero -cost supply and demand …re a license dealer sells the weed for say $50 …a gang member or whoever – sees an opportunity to sell his product for say $30 …what is the user going to pay the higher cost or lower cost ????

    Education/advertising in the same way we have done re smoking- less and less smoke these days as result. Dont we have enough expense or health problems due to increase cost of mental health. And you want to legalize a product that could make it even worse !!

    I agree with the survey yes to  medical cannabis NO to any other use !!

    #1717529
    halcyon
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    halcyon

    Hero, I support the notion of licencing the cultivation of weed. That way the supply chain is controlled, and the strength of weed is standardised.

    However, no amount of education will prevent our young people being able to access it. I have seen kids as young as 14 using cannabis daily. And often the parents are the ones who provide it.

    So, yes, let us make the use of cannabis legal but leave the unlicensed  cultivation and supply  illegal as at present.

    It's ok if you disagree with me. I can't force you to be right.

    #1717535
    arandar
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    arandar

    Agreed, Halcyon and Hero.  Licence the production, regulate the sale, tax the profit, decriminalise the use, punish unlicensed dealers and those who break the health and safety laws.

    Young people should not smoke or drink or drug but they do. They may well access it underage just as they do now, as they access alcohol and synths and thinners and all the other substances they abuse.  At least they will not cop a criminal record that will blight their lives forever.

    Of all the people I know who smoke(d) weed, there’s only one whose mental health has been affected … he’s a fully functioning man in his fifties whose memory is starting to let him down, not at work and not in the competitive sport he plays but in his down time, socially.  And he’s been smoking at least daily for thirty plus years. Most simply smoke socially and show no ill effects from it at all.

    Otoh, two of my best friends were alcoholics and they died with their minds and bodies and families broken in their fifties.

    Arandar

    #1717540
    paulinem
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    paulinem

    Aranda  your justification to legalize cannabis belongs in  cloud kokoland.

    Arand It is illegal now for dealers to grow supply  etc cannabis. BUT they are not policed why not ! Because we do not have the police available to do this AND  generally society feels the police should be concentrating on more important issues !!

    If SADLY the referendum goes your way all it will give us a lot more problems. Lets get real registered suppliers of the drug will need to pay tax on profit and GST on supply ..will it not ? Will the supplier not charge accordingly to cover all his/her costs ?

    Where as the back yard dealer etc he/she pays no tax and has little to no expenses such as the supplier above. Will they not then be able to charge for their drug a lot less do you not  think.

    Who would they user of cannabis go to a License dealer that charges a lot more than a back yard dealer ! I dont think so Aranda, supply and demand will win, and people who use cannabis are from what I perceive not as fussy as you would like them to be in getting a supply of cannabis. It will all depend what disposal income they have to spend on the drug.

    Harm of cannabis , still in the unknown as to all the problems it could bring on, some may be long term NOT noticed as yet !! Bit like smokes dont you think Aranda , we didn’t realize back in the 60s when  I was young and tempted that smoking was harmful to the health. We would of back then said like you say about cannabis, that smoking it was harmless, in fact good for you as it relaxes you etc

    I see the answer to the issue is vote NO  to legalize the drug for personal use, vote yes to medical use ie it then becomes like all the other medicinal drugs we can get access to. But I also feel a better use of public money than the cost of this  referendum that will most like vote NO to personal use etc. Spend the money instead on a extensive advertising campaign  that cannabis for personal use is  most likely  bad for you as smoking we know now is. So in the same way  discourage recreational cannibis use as we have  disencourage people not to smoke etc. Go into the schools warn the young to leave  cannabis  alone and  dont go down this road it could bring you big problems in the future

    #1717545
    lilith7
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    lilith7

    Agreed, Halcyon and Hero. Licence the production, regulate the sale, tax the profit, decriminalise the use, punish unlicensed dealers and those who break the health and safety laws. Young people should not smoke or drink or drug but they do. They may well access it underage just as they do now, as they access alcohol and synths and thinners and all the other substances they abuse. At least they will not cop a criminal record that will blight their lives forever. Of all the people I know who smoke(d) weed, there’s only one whose mental health has been affected … he’s a fully functioning man in his fifties whose memory is starting to let him down, not at work and not in the competitive sport he plays but in his down time, socially. And he’s been smoking at least daily for thirty plus years. Most simply smoke socially and show no ill effects from it at all. Otoh, two of my best friends were alcoholics and they died with their minds and bodies and families broken in their fifties.

     

     

    Agreed, Arandar. Most of those who smoked it came to no harm back in the day, & it was something many grew out of as they matured. For most of those who didn’t, it was very much an occasional thing, not something which took over their lives.

    And I believe it should be both affordable & readily accessible for medicinal use.

    While as far as possible,we should strive to keep it out of the hands of younger people (just as we do with other drugs,including alcohol) but make  sure any penalties aren’t likely to ruin the rest of their lives if some manage to access it.

    #1717856
    jens
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    jens

    While the cannabis issue has been well discussed  by now,  so far  practically nothing has been discussed on the major  issue  raised  by  columnist Lizzie Marvelly in the NZ Herald, April 20:

    “Forget CGT, we need a new plan”.

    In her  article  she deplores poverty, and opines that  because most  New Zealanders have overcome or worked themselves out of  poverty  up into relative prosperity through inheriting or  achieving adequate  capital  (property)  ownership –

    they  think it  unfair  and  counterproductive  to penalize capital  ownership.

    She raises the  question –  “if  not  a  capital gains tax” (to help the  poor into  capital ownership?)  “what” (should be planned) “instead” ?

    At  this  point would it  not be reasonable and legitimate  to raise  for  discussion the  question:

    If not  a penalizing capital  gains tax, why not a capital ownership  creative tax or tax rebates  converted into new capital ownership ?

    #1718361
    Hero42
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    Hero42

    Congratulations to Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern and her partner Clarke Gayford who are engaged to be married.

    Apparently the pair got engaged over the Easter break.

    That’s one less thing for Benny to complain about.

    Cheers 🙂

    #1718365
    huiatahi
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    huiatahi

    Also a start to reforming the social welfare system… I hope it’s just a start and more will follow

    huiatahi

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