- #1717135don021 April 20, 2019 at 11:48 am
The members of the committee I propose would be representatives of the countrys provinces, the number of members from each in proportion to the population.I like the limit on spending arandar,
money to me smells of corruption, buying power.#1717139arandar April 20, 2019 at 12:17 pm
Interesting. Expand your idea, Don.
Town and District Councils are committees, aren’t they? I take it you’re thinking to replace Parliamentary democracy with something more like a council, yes?
How many reps would, say, Auckland get do you think and how many would Southland? The rural provinces might feel very hard done by when they looked at the likes of Auckland, Wellington, Waikato and Canterbury. The provincial rugby and other sports teams struggle for funding and influence in the top tournaments. Giving some sort of balance between the needs of town and country is the reason we have electorates in the first place.
Are you trying to reduce the number of MPs in Parliament? If so, why? Cost to the taxpayer perhaps?
Arandar#1717155don021 April 20, 2019 at 4:16 pm
The number of reps. arandar would be a job for statisticians and I am not one. No, I am not trying to reduce the number of MPs, I see no reason to do that as the more we have, the easier it is for residents to approach them to discuss matters. Councils work very well I believe and I believe a parliamentry committee could work just as well, lessening the blind following of parties there is at present. Thanks for your interest.#1717176arandar April 20, 2019 at 5:18 pm
I am interested, Don, I spent several years working for Parliament and several working with councils and, as you have no doubt realised, I’m a hopeless politics tragic and up for most discussions about politics and political processes.
I have no experience of big city councils but only of small town councils and the ones I worked with were very divided, factionated some would say, along lines that were not particularly clear and transparent.
There were independent individuals who were nothing but nay sayers and self promoters, and the majority on those councils were stereotypical ‘old boy’ networkers who ran and owned half the towns’ infrastructure ie housing, business buildings, had businesses themselves and were mainly interested in doing what benefitted them and their personal interests and agendas.
It was difficult to break into them; ‘newcomers’ eg people who’d moved to the area and hadn’t grown up there, with limited name recognition found it virtually impossible to get elected.
People in small towns tend to stick to what and who they know, went to school with, played football or netball with, who own the houses they rent and the businesses they work for. Maori also find it very hard to get elected onto their councils. Many will not have Maori Wards. No doubt many other minorities find it hard/impossible too.
Arandar#1717180doogieMemberMember since: March 27, 2006
Replies: 6411doogie April 20, 2019 at 6:46 pm
Labour were foolish to pursue a capital gains tax when they knew before hopping into bed with Winston that he was dynamically opposed to this form of taxation. Winston is the tail that wags the dog.#1717194jensMemberMember since: May 3, 2006
Replies: 7641jens April 20, 2019 at 8:25 pm
I was mildly in favor of a CGT especially if it was to raise extra revenue to increase the national (retirement) wealth ownership creative savings rate.
However, as it was not meant to raise total taxation revenue, then to replace some of our straightforward simple and regular taxation with the more complicated, irregular and costly to collect CGT is not an economically beneficial move at all.
Credit to our govt. for having accepted that economic reality.#1717227don021 April 21, 2019 at 1:01 pm
I was very interested in your third paragraph arandar, something I had not run up against but that is because I was not looking. I believe you are quite correct, thinking back it does ring bells. I was never a councill member although asked to stand but work precluded that, however I have worked with Councils a lot on community promotions and projects and have found that by working with them and not against them much can be achieved for the community. Our Mayor always stops for a chat if he sees me and says thanks for supporting the Council, so I proceed to discuss my latest project. So many people write to the papers to criticise them but have no new ideas. The best thing is— If you haven’t a better idea, shut up.#1717243arandar April 21, 2019 at 2:22 pm
😆 Don. ‘If you haven’t a better idea, shut up’.
The thing about ideas is, if you don’t test it by putting it out for consideration, you won’t know if it’s better or worse.
And even then you can put it out but you can’t make people consider it.
And even if they consider it and decide they don’t like it you can’t make them like it, or talk about, no matter how hard or low often or how long you try.
As to the make up of most town councils, you don’t need 20/20 vision to see most comprise mostly middle aged or older white males, mostly property owners and mostly self employed. After all, much council work happens during the day when most employees would struggle to get time off work.
As I said, I’ve worked with town and district councils, still do in fact, our relationships are good and constructive, but getting elected onto them is problematic for too many. It’s also expensive to campaign well if you’re not born and bred in the area.
Arandar#1717252jensMemberMember since: May 3, 2006
Replies: 7641jens April 21, 2019 at 3:37 pm
Aah, arandar – are you not somewhat pessimistically self-contradicting, when initially standing for the need to discuss ideas to find out whether they are good or not, and then sort of devalue that stand by stating that regardless of the quality of an idea, if a majority does not want to know about it, there is nothing you can do about having it even discussed ? (Have I got that right?).
With confidence in human intelligence, I would not be that pessimistic or frustrated, because if the idea really is material evidence based truth, then it will survive “underground”, and emerge as “clear” eventually, compared to any once strongly believed in “flat earth” like concepts.#1717263halcyonMemberMember since: May 4, 2014
Replies: 4946halcyon April 21, 2019 at 4:25 pm
I don’t know about your Council arandar, but ours has five women and 4 men. And I think most members would be horrified if they thought they were being labeled middle age or older white. And the couple who fit that label bring many years of business acumen, thus providing balance to the young who contribute new thinking.
Still, the North leads the way as usual. Possibly the lower part of the North Island will catch up before 2022/
It's ok if you disagree with me. I can't force you to be right.
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