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    critic

    and unlike critic – you must have noticed that I am also seriously critical of “neo-liberalism” because it still fails to make sure that you just should not be able to consume or gamble away your whole income –

    Please try to avoid dragging me into your Crap jens … I have never offered an opinion on “neo-liberalism” …. (just another tag for organised Crime?).. and have no intention of considering forming an opinion to share with you relating to “neo-liberalism” on this thread.

    If you cannot have a conversation (in English) with other posters- without thinking to include me .. I suggest you simply take yourself in hand unless that is already the problem 🙂

    #1707561
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    jens

    Critic  –  is not “rogernomics” seen as having replaced “muldoonism” and representing  “neoliberalism” in New Zealand, and  have you not repeatedly accused me of  having supported  your  imagined  crimes  resulting from   ACT party  policies,  taking  no  notice  of my repeated  statement  that I resigned  from ACT  –

    when it became  clear that  ACT will not support the achievement  of “people’s capitalism” or a  “property owning  democracy” with  100% of  citizens  with   some property  ownership  through a  universal  – i.e. systematic, compulsory –  (retirement) wealth  ownership  creative  savings effort  built into our taxation  system ?

    And is not  “neo-liberalism  as a  crime ” a repeatedly stated  opinion  of yours ?

    P.S. And please take note,  that a  systematic  move  towards the  Ownership Society is not  “neo” nor old liberalism  either.

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    #1707568
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    paulinem

    Halycon you are so right re Mommabears  gross over the top exaggeration re UN Charter Schools and stopping of the polluted oil and gas exploration in a  post previously.

    Moomabear Social Credit economic policy is basically similar to Keynesian economy. This was the economy you no doubt enjoyed as you were  raising your  children.  Remember the  universal Family benefit ( money you could have used to capitalize on to gain your  deposit for your first home )for your children, the free education at ALL levels, free dental care for your children, cheap low interest loans for qualified people to buy their first home re State Advances ( now Housing corp).  A Social credit economy would assure the Least of mine  are taken care off as Christ asked us too Mommabear!

    As the post I put up  on previous post said it is rediculous that the Government is borrowing CREATED money from an Australian bank, to attain the money they need   for the building  housing program in mostly Auckland. This money must be paid back with interest, as the post correctly says they should instead have done what Savage/ Lee did in their building of State Houses in the 1930s CREATE the money ourselves  via our reserve bank, as this would require no  repayment with no interest. Any  overseas money needed to buy materials  for these homes from overseas,  Robertson could have used some of the created  billions of funds English/Joyce borrowed from overseas banks.

    Mommabear you also sarcastically rant about myself providing a bed for a immigrant. Actually Mommabear  all NZ  population was established by immigrants, including my grandparents whom came from Ireland in the 19th century.  When they arrived here I have no doubt locals made them feel welcome such as offering a bed to sleep on. So I would be happy to repay the kindness my grand parents would have been given on their arrival, to another immigrant to this country. Mommabear your family would also have arrived as immigrants and I am assured they would have received kindness on their arrival  as my ancestors were.

    #1707579
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    paulinem

    Most Chinese people living in New Zealand are good citizens. The activities of the Chinese Government however are a different matter. It’s time our government and opposition parties woke up to the threat to our sovereignty and stopped treating China like a “benevolent uncle” who just wants what’s best for us !
    If you have any doubts about Chinese influence in this country you need to read the following two items. They’re both long, but worth the time.
    Saturday’s Herald – https://www.nzherald.co.nz/lifestyle/news/article.cfm…
    The research paper by Anne-Marie Brady – https://www.wilsoncenter.org/…/for_website_magicweaponsanne…

    #1707595
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    jens

    paulinem –  if Social Credit is as you say “creating money by the Reserve  Bank without the need  of  paying it back”, then that is not Keynesianism, which is  credit – i.e. debt  –  creation !

    Do you not understand, that  genuine value representing money cannot  be created “out of nothing”, there must always be a wealth reserve or commitment or “debt” to back up the  value  of any  new money  issued, or it will be  nothing  but  an inflationary confiscation  of value  from all those  having got it (money) in exchange  of  value  traded in kind or work (service) by them ?

    Humans are  not  God to be able to create anything on the  material level “out of nothing”,  and  is not genuine belief in the  latter  pure  blasphemy ?

    John A Lee  erred  in  his belief  that non-repayable  debt creation  is  sustainable and does not end up  in  run-away inflation  ruining the  economy.

    So, he had  to leave politics, but unfortunately  subsequent  governments began to prop up the welfare  you are  longing  for  not  by higher  taxation, but  by borrowing  from the NZ Super Fund savings, the  debt of  which Sir Robert Muldoon eventually  “wiped”  by  giving up on the  Fund.

    And tell us paulinem –  was  not the  “sweet  welfare” of 60 years  ago  actually a  failure,  by only  hiding  poverty and  by that  achieving  only  widening  poverty as  reflected  by  increasing, instead of diminishing needs and demands  for those  benefits ?

    Some people – even still  today –  give up earning  money  beyond a certain  limit so as  not to lose  their  qualification  for  certain  benefits at  fell0w  taxpayers expense.

    Does  all that  not  convert you  towards achieving   better welfare  than just  covering up poverty  through redistribution of income  alone –

    to  pressing  for a  universal effort of poverty  elimination, with the poor  also participating in that effort ?

    #1707604
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    paulinem

    Jens  your economic tutor was different to mine 🙂 Yes money can and is created out off nothing, Savings in the bank is not essential more a bonus, (this idea is wishful thinking on your part Jens of based on an era of banking long long ago. ) to the bank than to the borrower.

    This is the reason the private Australian banks have made last year exorbitant profits, as they did create money out of nothing to give to their borrowers . The profits were made as the banks expect/demand real earned  money to be  given back to the bank by the borrower.

    #1707605
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    critic

    Critic – is not “rogernomics” seen as having replaced “muldoonism” and representing “neoliberalism” in New Zealand, –

    Not that I am aware of jens The NZ government was never called rogernomics nor was the NZ government referred to as muldoonism…. We English speaking folks call it the NZ government which leaves less room for criminal activities to be wrongfully tagged.

    and have you not repeatedly accused me of having supported your imagined crimes resulting from ACT party policies, taking no notice of my repeated statement that I resigned from ACT –

    Yes you resigned from act having already provided material support for the groups involved in criminal activities. Although you resigned you still offer support for the sods and pretend that the criminal activities were political activities so continuing to support blatant organised crime.

    And is not “neo-liberalism as a crime ” a repeatedly stated opinion of yours ?

    If “neo-liberalism” means intentionally depriving others of property or interests in property or having so deprived others of those interests going on to launder those interests then the Crimes Act 1961 defines it as a Crime of deceit.

    Being able to read the Crimes act 1961 without getting confused by all those nifty little illusions spinners like yourself choose so as to manipulate understanding of events is not really offering an opinion so much as providing clarity in English jens which just happens to be the language of the legislation which your class of person intentionally ignores.

    I see you are trying the same twisted lines out on this thread but there are a few others that can see right through your distortions of the truth jens…. my favorite is your ridiculous assertions regarding poverty elimination.

    Classic jens 🙂

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    #1707621
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    paulinem

    Hmm Critic  you certainly a exhibitionist with your grossly oversized pictures you LOVE to put in your posts . Obviously you want all the attention on yourself and thus discourage or even frighten any  other  grownup  from contributing  to the discussion with a different point of view to your  own superior views on a topic ! How sad how very sad  !!

     

    #1707637
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    mommabear70

    There are none so blind who cannot see.
    The MSM are brainwashing the masses.

    There are the ignorant.
    They ask what is NWO or OWO but don’t bother checking them out.

    There are those who choose to ignore what’s happening in this world.
    Many will accept what’s fed to them without question. The OWO will love you.

    Some may say I’m exaggerating, I’m too cynical or I’m being sarcastic? about
    providing a bed for an immigrant.
    The times we’re now in are vastly different than when our ancestors arrived in sailing ships. Back then you probably had choices who you might have bestowed ‘kindness’ on. That won’t be an option under NWO rules. You might be taking in someone who will turn your lifestyle upside down. But you being so kindhearted, you won’t mind will you?

    Our current monetary system won’t be changed or simplified to make it fairer and easier to use. The NWO will operate a cashless society and they will control all income/spending through microchipping identification and decide who are the haves and the havenots.

    Technology is advancing at a frantic pace. I very much doubt the lives of the havenots will be better or provide them with a comfortable existence. Then again what some deem ‘comfortable’ would be debateable for others.

    Following this government taking control of future oil and gas exploration, I read where they’re proposing a total ban on mining in the entire conservation estate which is one third of NZ.
    This isn’t about coal mining.
    Like it or not, we can’t function without mining, the products of which are vital for modern society. Aggregates for infrastructure, housing, concrete; coking coal for steel; gold, copper, cobalt, REEs, lithium and vanadium for electronics, electric vehicles, solar panels, batteries – this list goes on. We mine to meet demand and the demand for minerals exists to maintain and grow our standard of living.
    And if we don’t mine in New Zealand, we must import the resources we need.
    In other words, more control over how we live and prosper.

    Halcyon says there will be no riots or dissention. Dreams methinks. The plan of course is to make the Satan(s) look wonderful.
    We shall see. I’d venture a goodly amount will rise up.

    Halcyon doesn’t think Comrade Ardern is a nice name to call the PM. How about traitor then?
    How about all the not nice names bestowed on National and Act members of parliament dished out enmasse on these forums?
    Anyway, that’s veering off topic.

    Believe it or not.
    The OWO will happen. There are plenty of signs it’s already a work in progress.
    The impending next financial crash will be OWO instigated as will World War Three.

    And there are plenty of revelations like the one below.
    Here endith the lesson.

    #1707676
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    jens

    paulinem – your economic tutors must have been  among those  who saw savings only as a by-product  of wealth, and not  the basic  factor without  which income or the  products of  labour  just cannot be  converted into  measurable assets or  wealth.

    Of  course – if your income is  larger  than what you  consume normally  –  the  savings, surpluses  or  profits accumulate  without  any need for the  austerity  of  “belt tightening”.

    And of  course –  if  you don’t  consume all the  products of your labour  or income – you create  wealth whether  you like it or not.

    Do you  agree with that, paulinem ?

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