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  • #1707519
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    jens

    Yes  halcyon  –  is not paulinem’s condemnation  of unrestrained  gambling freedom  well justified not  only because  of the pain and poverty that  frequently  results from it not only to the perpetrator  alone –  but  also because of  excessive  economic speculation on credit was probably a leading  cause  of the  great  depression 95 years ago, and many a painful bankruptcy  since then  ?

    #1707522
    Profile photo of halcyonhalcyon
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    halcyon

    As in all areas of life, along with freedom goes responsibility. Given the choice as to make my own decisions or have decisions made on my behalf, I would choose the former, even though I would be responsible for the outcome of that decision.

    History shows us that gambling has been around long before gambling machines were created. A number of times I have read in old manuscripts about how “they cast lots”. I can remember even in the 1950’s seeing guys in basic camp playing cards, and saw some lose more that they could afford. There is no logic in blaming a particular financial theory for such behaviours that would occur in any financial model.

    However, you raise a good point. Maybe the time has come to remove the right to discretionary spending for those who can not manage their finances. I have seen numerous cases where children go without because their parent/s do not spend their income wisely.  And in  some cases goods and groceries, provided for the family by Government agencies, are on-sold to fund the parent’s addiction.

     

     

    It's ok if you disagree with me. I can't force you to be right.

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    #1707526
    Profile photo of mommabear70mommabear70
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    mommabear70

    halcyon, the time when all discretionary spending power is  taken from every one of us will come in time. You’ll be either  microchipped or be made unique to everyone else by some other means. The NWO will be the sole decider on what you’ll eat, drink and be merry (or not).

     

    #1707529
    Profile photo of halcyonhalcyon
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    halcyon

    That makes sense Mommabear, a personal identifier that is linked to our bank accounts would limit theft, reduce the possibility of money laundering, and if linked to GPS could prove we could not have committed a crime as we were not in the area at the time.  It is possible that the technology would be capable of monitoring our health status thereby calling assistance that could save our life.

    So, maybe a NWO is not such an evil as it is painted. The only question is” are we willing to sacrifice the freedom of  anonymity we currently enjoy.

    It's ok if you disagree with me. I can't force you to be right.

    #1707530
    Profile photo of mommabear70mommabear70
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    mommabear70

    halcyon, ” a NWO is not such an evil”? You surely jest.
    The personal identifier that is linked to our bank accounts (if you’re still allowed to own money) would enable the NWO to dip their fingers in the till at will.
    And of course cash as we know it today, will also be gone. Your microchip will be scanned wherever you go.
    If you’re of ‘working age’ when the NWO take over, they will decide how you’d be ‘rewarded’ for your efforts. The same ‘laws’ will apply for everyone else.
    If you ‘own’ a house, the NWO will decide who occupies it.
    Get the picture?

     

     

     

     

    #1707537
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    paulinem

    What is NWO ??

    #1707538
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    jens

    halcyon, mommabear70, you are rushing too far  ahead into the fantasy  world to be  helpful for  what  is possible  now.

    And yes, it is human nature and not the financial system which is to blame  for the  miseries  resulting from excessive  gambling and  speculation, especially on credit.

    And  a  component of  compulsory  saving  built into our taxation system still leaves  you  the freedom to  gamble, and  don’t  forget  that our  compulsory taxation actually  preserves and protects  more  welfare and  freedom  than what  we could expect from “anarchistic”  gang rule  if we  had no enforceable  rules and regulations.

    I personally compare a  universal compulsory  (retirement) wealth  ownership  creative  savings  rate with  the  compulsory  investment we  all agree with  in elementary  education.

    A person  born into  poverty and not participating in wealth ownership creation is  nearly just as  “underprivileged” as  an illiterate.

    But  actually  participation in capitalism  (saving and investment) is  basically even more important than compulsory  education, because without it  you cannot even have  compulsory education, and  capitalism existed  before  literacy.

    Is  that still not a convincing  argument in support of  a  compulsory  savings rate  reserved  for (retirement) wealth ownership  creation  which  cannot be  gambled  away,  can be  consumed only from   the retirement entitlement age (65?), or be  part of its owner’s estate in the  case  of her/his  death before  all of it has been  consumed  by its owner ?

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    #1707541
    Profile photo of halcyonhalcyon
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    halcyon

    NWO = New World Order. It is the same as OWO = One World Order.

    It is the notion supported by many in the Alt-Left who believe in a form of world equality where every person gets the same in respect to all necessaries of life, housing food, clothes, medical services, education etc. In other words a classless society with a single culture. In other words their notion of utopia where the world is at peace..

    However, to obtain that state would need the subjugate certain freedoms such as the right to a private education. This is happening already in the EU. According to CBN news today

     

    The European Court of Human Rights today ruled against a German homeschooling family who many believe were the victims of persecution by the government because they resisted compulsory state and private education.

    In the case of Wunderlich v. Germany, the court said that the German authorities’ actions were not in violation of the Wunderlich family’s fundamental rights.

    It's ok if you disagree with me. I can't force you to be right.

    #1707546
    Profile photo of mommabear70mommabear70
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    mommabear70

    Paulinem, a branch of the corrupt UN which is the abomination of this world.
    The taxpayers of this country are being fleeced of $1.4 billion annually to feed this abomination.

    Fantasy stuff says Jens?
    You really need a dose of reality away from Social Credit Paulinem.
    As halcyon pointed out, under Comrade Ardern, every person gets the same indoctrinated education. And you believed closing charter schools was a union thing did you? The reality is no student will be allowed to perform better or have superior knowledge than any other.
    It’s unlikely to reach fruition in our lifetime but that’s the future for our grandchildren.

    Fundamental rights? Your new rights will be fed to you in time. That spare bedroom you use as a sewing room will again be a bedroom for immigrants they send to you.
    Suck it up Socialists. Comrade Ardern will have already secured a place at the trough and you all can eat crumbs.

    There will be riots no doubt in little old NZ. We’ve seen them occurring already worldwide.
    I shudder to contemplate the unrest but it’ll likely make the Springbok Tour protests where hundreds turned out in crash helmets and baseball bats and the Police in riot gear look like a Sunday picnic.

    Thinking back, I’d say there’s more to the future oil and gas exploration ban than we’ve been told. Oh that’s right, we didn’t get told the reason. The MSM have already been told what they and can and can’t print. I suspect it’s something along the lines  of State Control, more car-less days, rationing etc etc.

    TedE on another thread wondered about the future for our grandchildren.
    Get prepared would be my advice. Read into that whatever you like.

     

    #1707548
    Profile photo of halcyonhalcyon
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    halcyon

    My goodness mommabear, you do exaggerate. There will be no riots or dissention. Education will be provided to demonstrate the advantages of simplifying our current monetary system so that it will be fairer and easier to use.

    Currently my wife gets the odd days work. She then needs to inform WINZ about the differing income for that week. She also needs to inform IRD so as to ensure she pays the right tax. Think how good it would be if the government could use an automated  algorithm that monitors her account and the employers account. This then makes adjustment to her super and to her tax. It could provide her with  a TXT message informing her of how much she would get that week. How convenient.

    So do not be so cynical. Why not use technology to make our lives better and provide us with a comfortable existence.  Does it really matter if we can not get cheep cash jobs under the table?

    PS. I never mentioned Comrade Ardern. That is not a nice name to call the PM.

    It's ok if you disagree with me. I can't force you to be right.

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