- #1690270Hero42MemberMember since: July 18, 2008
Replies: 11648Hero42 August 10, 2018 at 4:17 pm
We knew the differences before the election as it was discussed on these forums and the voters would appear to have voted for targeted spending rather than across the board tax cuts. This also includes the need to rebuild the infrastructure and public services that National neglected for ten years.
Cheers 🙂#1690271arandar August 10, 2018 at 4:22 pm
Dripping taps? Get a new washer.
Overflow pipe spurting/leaking hot water onto the roof and thence down the drains? Lower the thermostat settings.
Higher dollar – good for imports.
Lower dollar – good for exports.
I know which I prefer.
Doogie, harking back momentarily to your post. I read your post of Bagrie’s OP. I’d just read the RB Governor’s report so posted it, thinking it added to and complemented Bagrie’s, coming at the subject from a different perspective.
You saw rebuttal and argument. I saw conversation. My bad. Should have known better.
Arandar#1690274arandar August 10, 2018 at 4:35 pm
Check out the ANZ business confidence survey methodology It’s a self selecting survey of 500 businesses and it measures feelings not facts.
That’s why it’s always up during the terms of National governments despite SMEs always doing less well and why it’s always down during the terms of Labour governments, despite SMEs always doing better then.
IMO, the whole world is facing economic turmoil similar to and possibly even worse than the GFC of 2008 … I can’t see how the house of cards, built on sand, can continue as it is.
Trump’s sanctions & America First, the Brexit situation, too little possibly too late on Climate Change, Russia, the Middle East, China’s surge towards becoming the world’s economic superpower … times they are a’changing fast.
Our Labour govt will not make it worse for us.
Housing. Health. Education. Public services and infrastructure. They’ve all got to be fixed. The market didn’t fix them and the market won’t. Only governments can provide those services for all their citizens. That’s the truth of it and the last 30/40 years has proved that.
Arandar#1690290mommabear70MemberMember since: February 20, 2017
Replies: 1760mommabear70 August 10, 2018 at 5:03 pm
You cannot legislate the poor into freedom by legislating the wealthy out of freedom. What one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not not first take from somebody else. When half the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them, and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for, that my dear friend, is about the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. – Dr Adrian Rogers 1931
And that…. is why marxist doctrine / socialism / communism does not work.#1690299gabyoneMemberMember since: November 13, 2008
Replies: 2655gabyone August 10, 2018 at 5:37 pm
At present Mommabear, the taxation system is geared to take a higher % off the lowest paid while the wealthy & many businesses can deduct many costs that are for items the wage & salary worker must pay out of income. Therefor the Govt is taking from the poor worker to give to the wealthy. Sure it is frustrating that a few people may choose not to get a job, but far more who need financial help are simply low paid or temporarily unemployed due to circumstances beyond their control.
Gabyone Auckland region#1690312doogieMemberMember since: March 27, 2006
Replies: 6288doogie August 10, 2018 at 6:23 pm
Most of what you outline arandar the market has no responsibility for. Any where the market steps in they are scorned so go for it Labour, don’t sit on your hands.#1690316arandar August 10, 2018 at 6:36 pm
That’s got great roots, Mommabear. Not.
Dr Adrian Rogers was a Southern Baptist pastor. Not exactly known for progressive politics. Or tolerance. Or economic acumen for that matter the southern conservative states are the most impoverished in the US as it happens, so something isn’t working there.
Probably having to stop owning slaves, maybe? Anyway …
He used that quote in a sermon in 1984, but he didn’t come up with it. This is who did.
The original author was Gerald LK Smith, in his magazine The Cross and the Flag, a right wing white supremacist magazine known for denying the Holocaust.
Don’t think I’d take his advice on anything. At all.
Arandar#1690333mommabear70MemberMember since: February 20, 2017
Replies: 1760mommabear70 August 10, 2018 at 7:17 pm
“65% of businesses think their business is going to get better over the coming year”
My Mrs Google can’t find that. Can anyone assist please?#1690349lilith7MemberMember since: April 9, 2017
Replies: 1925lilith7 August 11, 2018 at 11:05 am
You cannot legislate the poor into freedom by legislating the wealthy out of freedom. What one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not not first take from somebody else. When half the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them, and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for, that my dear friend, is about the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. – Dr Adrian Rogers 1931 And that…. is why marxist doctrine / socialism / communism does not work.
“You cannot legislate the poor into freedom by legislating the industrious out of it. You don’t multiply wealth by dividing it. Government cannot give anything to anybody that it doesn’t first take from somebody else. Whenever somebody receives something without working for it, somebody else has to work for it without receiving. The worst thing that can happen to a nation is for half of the people to get the idea they don’t have to work because somebody else will work for them, and the other half to get the idea that it does no good to work because they don’t get to enjoy the fruit of their labor.”
1 What is described above is not Socialism
2. It’s a description of quid pro quo (i.e. this for that) and a hypothetical imbalance in the economy when the government gives money away. How this equated to the foundations of worker-ownership in the author’s eyes I do not know, but simply put this quote not only doesn’t apply to Socialism, it barely relatees to the scenario depicted in the rest of the email. Now to be clear, I am not trying to Poison the Well.
3 I am simply saying that the person quoted is not in any manner an authority on Socialism, Communism, or even Capitalism.”#1690353lilith7MemberMember since: April 9, 2017
Replies: 1925lilith7 August 11, 2018 at 11:23 am
I just looked up Gerald K Smith. He seems to have been fairly repulsive & a well known racist & anti Semite.
“Journalist William Bradford Huie wrote of Smith in the 1930s: “The man has the passion of Billy Sunday. He has the fire of Adolf Hitler. . . . He is the stuff of which Fuehrers are made.”
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