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  • #1680545
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    arandar

    I agree Halcyon and once we had a wide variety of opinions on these threads and many times the numbers of regular posters.

    Doc was never abusive nor did he personalise his posts. He was subject to personal abuse however from people who allowed their dislike of his mannerisms to govern the way they debated with him.

    I think, we don’t all understand, or perhaps accept, the right to free speech refers specifically to the right to criticise our governments, people and policies, without fear of the might of the State being brought against us.

    It doesn’t refer to an imaginary right to say what we like about each other, or groups of people ie racial or religious or ethnic minorities without consequences.

    We had a real opportunity to show posters here the difference – that was lost in a welter of complaints, inaction, reaction and over action. And, in my opinion, what we have left is the result.

    Not to mention the spammers …🤬

    🌊Arandar🏄🏽‍♀️

    #1680547
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    doogie

    I believe the left wing is singing the government’s praises and there is a lot to praise.

    It is easy to praise comforting words from a political song sheet but when the fat lady sings in the coarse of time will it be so comforting  when all the promises are not called to heel in the time frames promised.

    Only deeds deserve praise. Expectations  raised by the incoming government doesn’t qualify  as praise worthy

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    #1680594
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    Critic

    There is a significant difference between revenue gathering and reforming drivers that cannot follow the rules and it is about time grownup people learned to differentiate … revenue gathering relies upon the folk that don’t follow the rules so there is “NO INCENTIVE” upon the revenue gatherer to actually remedy the situation as a revenue gathering conflict of interests is making way more noise.

    If housing policies were fixed by population growth and the corporate government was considering the best interests of that natural growth (and the voting population) rather than extravagantly importing more and more people to help us breed like rabbits …Housing problems would not occur regardless of the number of building consents.
    A little regard for infrastructure like health services to accommodate imports instead of preening foreign affairs would begin to make the government appear more credible than shackled… did anyone notice the irony of nz first squeezing $900,000,000 out of the coalition to be spent outside of nz first???

    🙂

    #1680605
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    lilith7

    I think six months is far too soon to evaluate any new govt;one or two years is more like it.

    Every new govt has a settling in time & I think there’s little point in criticism until the 1-2 year mark.

    #1680617
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    mommabear70

    critic, I’d previously commented on the $millions given to our Pacific neighbours in the wake of Cyclone Gita. but not a penny for our regions devastated by the same cyclone.

    The latest round of  Pacific ‘aid’ is merely trying to outbid Superpower China. As if that’s going to scare them off.
    Meanwhile there’s no spare ‘aid’ to enact the election promises for the  full $10 off cheaper doctor visits and the full 2018 Winter Energy Payments.

    #1680618
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    Critic

    I think six months is far too soon to evaluate any new govt;one or two years is more like it.
    Every new govt has a settling in time & I think there’s little point in criticism until the 1-2 year mark.

    Normally I would agree with you but it would be wise to make accurate observations.

    I could have suggested that winnie has got the nz government by the “short and curlies” ….. (rather like ransom?) displaying that the government is manipulable and as such corrupt but, instead, I pointed out the irony of nz first scoring $900,000,000 (borrowed money?) to spend outside of nz first while we have a politically facilitated housing shortage at home that also “really needs governing”
    🙂

    No rumors or malice intended 🙂

    #1680621
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    mommabear70

    And.. NZ First’s Shane Jones says Māori are “sadly mistaken”if they think the Government will hand them over any rights to the country’s freshwater supply.

    Environment Minister David Parker, who drafted Labour’s water policy ahead of the election, hasn’t ruled out the issue being looked at but is not optimistic of resolving it any time soon.

    But Jones doesn’t agree with Parker’s hope for resolution in the future, saying, Māori “fortunes are not going to turn around by feeding these obscure debates as to which fraction of the water resource has to be handed over to Ngai Tahu or other tribes”.

    “That’s just not going to happen.”

    Attempting to engage with Māori on the issue would be a “headbanging exercise” with every iwi in the country, he said, adding  “I would rather they focused on planting trees as a key step to restoring the quality of water.”

    Very good. Unequivocal, no weasel words… not going to happen.
    Nice to see that from a politician – it’s refreshing.
    Good stuff.
    Well done Shane.

    #1680627
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    arandar

    Sadly for Shane, he’s one small though vocal part of a coalition govt, of a democratic nation founded on a partnership between the first people here and the rest who came a little later.

    Therefore, I think, these issues will be negotiated.

    Personally, I would keep all fresh water resources in public ownership and its care to be the public’s responsibility, its use for the public’s good not for private, commercial interests.

    🌊Arandar🏄🏽‍♀️

    #1680653
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    don021

    Of course water should be kept in public ownership, Maoris have no more entitlement to it than they have to public buildings or infrastructure, all have come since the Maoris came. Some of the water only yesterday!!

    #1680659
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    Halycon
    I reckon Ardern has done exceptionally well on the international stage so far.

    And I have to correct my mistake. The unknown National MP called her a “stupid little girl”

    I do agree however that Simon Bridges is not doing well as leader so far. He and his shadow cabinet have issued contradictory statement on at least two occasions so far.

    Cheers 🙂

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