- #1652290halcyonMemberMember since: May 4, 2014
Replies: 4387halcyon November 14, 2017 at 10:29 pm
Quite correct SNG. And that demonstrates it can be done. While ACT only has one seat at present there is room for it to grow. Basically it is the only Party on the right.
There could also be an alternative Green Party develop over the next few years. One that focused on the environmental issues and was more centrist on social issues. Such a party could take votes from Labour, NZF, the Green Party and National. The opportunity is there. I heard several people say that they would a green party but could not because of their social policies.
It will be an interesting three years. 😀
#1652320drlivingstoneMemberMember since: October 22, 2006
- This reply was modified 8 months ago by halcyon.
Replies: 34938drlivingstone November 15, 2017 at 8:36 am
There is strong support within The Australian Parliament.The Senate passed a motion on yesterday afternoon calling on Mr Turnbull to accept New Zealands offer.New Zealand will however spend $3 million on essential services for Manus Island and Nauru refugees in detention centres.These are humanitarian issues.
Peoples Republic Of Christchurch#1652357lilith7MemberMember since: April 9, 2017
Replies: 1414lilith7 November 15, 2017 at 11:24 am
There appears to be one basic reason as to why women are frequently paid considerably less than men.
A common argument for why the gender pay gap exists is that women tend to work in lower-paid occupations, but New Zealand research has found that even when contributions to their employers are the same, women are paid on average 84 cents for every $1 men receive.
Researchers at Motu Economic and Public Policy looked at a decade’s worth of wage and productivity data, and found though women were more likely to work in low-paying industries such as food and beverage services, this only accounted for 7 per cent of the pay gap.
Lead researcher Dr Isabelle Sin said women and men working in the same industry were statistically indistinguishable in how much value they added to their firms, but there was still a 16 per cent wage gap. This gap increased with age, with no evidence for a gap in young men and women, but increasing to 21 per cent for those aged 40-54 and 49 per cent for older women.
The researchers found no evidence for differences in bargaining being behind the gap, arguing that the productivity-wage gap would be higher in industries and during times when the labour market is tight and companies have more difficulty in hiring. Instead, they found the wage gap was high when workers were highly skilled and firms faced low competition, which the researchers suggest means sexism was at play, with preferential recruitment of men and lower offers for equally qualified women.”
While I’m not against NZ taking refugees,I think if we take any of the poor sods from Manus we’d best have a lot of resources at the ready,because given their past experiences & the treatment they’ve received they’re very unlikely to be in a good mental or physical state, & some may be mentally ill.#1652361drlivingstoneMemberMember since: October 22, 2006
Replies: 34938drlivingstone November 15, 2017 at 12:09 pm
61.6% vote for same sex marriage in Australia.79% voted.Now up to the Politiciansto legalise eh? 😀
Peoples Republic Of Christchurch#1652370doogieMemberMember since: March 27, 2006
Replies: 6084doogie November 15, 2017 at 12:55 pm
There is no need for anyone to pay more for anything that another s prepared to accept. Would you pay more for a house than the owner is prepared to accept?#1652376Hero42 November 15, 2017 at 1:17 pm
Yes Bob Jones did cause upset by taking votes off National and possibly causing them to lose the election but they didn’t get into power. That, however, was pre MMP and under MMP they would have got in. The support evaporated from 12% to 0.2% and 0.02% of the vote in subsequent FFP elections.
So which millionaires do we have that are prepared to throw a lot of money away given Bob Jones, Colin Craig and Gareth Morgan have all failed to get into parliament.
Cheers 🙂#1652377Hero42 November 15, 2017 at 1:25 pm
Yes it is possible and the right wing is ripe for any new party.
ACT did well when they had known MPs that split from Labour but they have gone from 6-7% in the early days to around 1% except for a surge when John Key included them in his first coalition.
For the last three elections their vote has been 1%, 0.7% and 0.5% If it wasn’t for National hoping they would bring in extra coat tail MPs they would have been gone a long time ago.
I can’t see anyone setting up an alternative Green party as they would struggle to take votes off the existing parties that occupy that space.
If they did set such a party up without the social policies they would be taking Green National votes. That would be interesting.
Cheers 🙂#1652378Hero42 November 15, 2017 at 1:27 pm
That is what tenders and auctions are for.
Poor bargaining can result in the same outcome.
We often hear of people saying they got more than they would have settled for.
Cheers 🙂#1652405Hero42 November 15, 2017 at 4:10 pm
Further to the point you make about the Green movement.
The Green Party we have at the moment formed from the Values party and other environmental groups in 1990. They then became co-founders of the Alliance party and got into parliament in 1996 but broke away from the Alliance party when they feared losing their identity and have been going strong ever since.
But while they have cornered the environmental voters there have been other green parties.
The Green Society (1996-2001) was a small environmentalist party and sounds more like the option you suggest would attract support. The Green Society believed that a true green party needed to be focused solely on the environment, and believed that the Green Party (then part of the Alliance) and the Progressive Green Party were both mistaken to take sides in economic and social debates.
The party contested eight electorates in 1996 as well as the party list, but gained only 1,140 electorate and 2,363 list votes (0.11%), failing to win any seats.
The party did not contest the 1999 election and was deregistered in February 2001.
The Progressive Green Party (1995) was an environmentalist party established in opposition to the generally left-wing policies of the larger Green Party. It contested only one election, 1996, were they received 0.26% of the vote, before vanishing. Many of the party’s members are now associated with the Bluegreens, an environmental “task force” within the National Party
It looks like the options for alternative green parties have been tried but maybe someone will fail to learn from the past and try again.
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