- #1743343halcyonMemberMember since: May 4, 2014
Replies: 5035halcyon February 21, 2020 at 5:04 pm
I agree Hero. We do need sound information about the positives and negatives of changing our laws in respect of cannabis. This includes cost estimates of harm done by users both to themselves and to others.
It is easy to debate the draft legislation from a emotional level. But any claims need to be supported be data.
“If liberty means anything at all, it means the right to tell people what they do not want to hear.” (George Orwell, The Animal Farm)#1743353kaiapoikenMemberMember since: November 27, 2015
Replies: 316kaiapoiken February 21, 2020 at 5:25 pm
Can someone clear up a point for me? Is this legislation going to legalise weed for GENERAL use or for MEDICINAL use? If it’s for general use I’m dead against it.#1743354supergoldMemberMember since: May 9, 2009
Replies: 9171supergold February 21, 2020 at 5:57 pm
Good question KK. I checked it out and Wikipedia stated …
“The New Zealand cannabis referendum will be a non-binding referendum, held at the same time as the 19 September 2020 general election on the question of whether to legalise the personal use of cannabis.”
Supergold-Wainuiomata (Wellington)#1743355huiatahiMemberMember since: March 22, 2017
Replies: 1112huiatahi February 21, 2020 at 6:02 pm
Yes it’s too wide for me. Are you in favour of legalising cannabis? I think they’ll lose because most people are in favour of medical use but will balk at wide open use. I’m with you kk.
huiatahi#1743359gabyoneMemberMember since: November 13, 2008
Replies: 2832gabyone February 21, 2020 at 6:37 pm
I am for medical cannabis but not sure that “for personal use” is a good idea. In Australia cannabis oil seems to work for medicinal purposes but I thought that was a different product to the weed people smoke. Would like some clarification . If insufficient information is made available will probably vote “no”.
Gabyone Auckland region#1743373BryanMemberMember since: October 28, 2006
Replies: 12533Bryan February 22, 2020 at 10:01 am
My pick is that we will get a whole stack of misinformation without any true facts and we will not be in any better off than now.
Just watch the bun fight!!!!
At Home, At Peace and Causing Trouble In South Taranaki#1743374halcyonMemberMember since: May 4, 2014
Replies: 5035halcyon February 22, 2020 at 10:53 am
The first question that needs to be answered is “How much THC can a person have in their blood stream and still be safe to drive?” This leads to a second question “How are the Police going to monitor this?”
Without clear boundaries around the use of cannabis and driving we could experience a rise in road deaths.
My decision on which way to vote is dependent on clear control of cannabis use and driving. Just like alcohol use and driving.
“If liberty means anything at all, it means the right to tell people what they do not want to hear.” (George Orwell, The Animal Farm)#1743611Hero42 February 24, 2020 at 2:33 pm
Cost of harm is difficult to assess as one should take into consideration the cost if we don’t change the law and if we don’t how would we cost the continued use of alcohol that would have declined if cannabis was available as an alternative.
But no doubt some people will produce some figures for us.
Cheers 🙂#1743612Hero42 February 24, 2020 at 2:39 pm
We will have a medicinal cannabis scheme from 1 April 2020 so we don’t need to vote on it.
From a medicinal aspect the personal use referendum, if passed, will allow people to grow their own and self medicate much as they do now with drugs that don’t need a prescription.
From what I have read in the news the medicinal cannabis scheme may be quite restrictive in terms of the products licensed and available with some doctors not wanting to prescribe.
Cheers 🙂#1743613Hero42 February 24, 2020 at 2:48 pm
Yopu may want to read this article:
It contains this piece of scientific data:
Based at Philadelphia’s NMS Labs, Dr Logan is one of the world’s foremost experts in drug-impaired driving.
“A user-preferred dose produces a level of impairment equivalent to a moderate level of alcohol consumption, 0.04 percent to 0.05 percent [blood alcohol concentration or BAC] for about 2–4 hours. And then after that, the evidence is people pretty much return to the baseline.”
It’s worth noting New Zealand’s blood alcohol concentration for drink driving is – rather controversially – set even higher, at 0.08 percent. The upshot is most moderate cannabis users don’t get higher than the level we already deem acceptable for alcohol.
But I think the article is seven years old so things may have improved since then.
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