- #1741483halcyon January 28, 2020 at 9:23 am
Actually rob023, Ferrandez makes a good point. If we are to take the issue of climate change seriously then there is a need to eliminate all unnecessary travel. Just think of all the sports teams, and their supporters, who travel large distances on a weekly basis. That does not include the mass collections at “World Cup” events.
At a time when we should be reducing travel we have governments investing millions of dollars into tourism. However, it is easier to condemn the petrochemical and coal industries as the source of all problems rather than look at our own contributions to CO2 production.
Regardless of what a young teenager says, I will not consider we have a serious issue until we are prepared to evaluate our own contribution to the problem. And this will include our willingness to make major changes to our individual lifestyles.
“If liberty means anything at all, it means the right to tell people what they do not want to hear.” (George Orwell, The Animal Farm)#1741484halcyon January 28, 2020 at 10:24 am
On reflection about your post rob023, it is interesting that you found that article on an International website and not in any NZ media source. This highlights the issue we have with our media. Their are more interested in social engineering that providing us with unbiased information.
And this is why I no longer rely on our media for information. There is a plethora of independent news agencies throughout the world. By reading widely one gets a far better understanding of world affairs than relying on either MSN or social media for information.
“If liberty means anything at all, it means the right to tell people what they do not want to hear.” (George Orwell, The Animal Farm)#1741489Hero42 January 28, 2020 at 1:32 pm
It may be poor NZ media or it could be that it just wasn’t considered important enough for NZ media to report. After all are NZ readers really interested in the opinions of a Quebec politician tat most of them will never have heard of?
As for The Post Millennial website the Media Bias Fact Check website rates them based on story selection that favors the right and Mostly Factual in reporting, rather than High, due to publishing unsubstantiated claims and having one failed fact check.
Their full analysis read:
In review, The Post Millennial covers Canadian news, Breaking News, Politics and Opinions. When reporting news there is moderate use of loaded words in headlines such as: 5 big Trudeau military failures. For the most part news articles are sourced properly and factually based, though there is a strong right leaning bias in story selection that denigrates the left and in particular PM Justin Trudeau. The opinion/editorial pages provide little balance and primarily support Conservative and Libertarian positions. Further, the Post Millennial sometimes reports unsubstantiated claims that have not been proven such as this: WATCH: Justin Trudeau allegedly went for drinks with woman Liberals claim is a “white nationalist”.
Cheers 🙂#1741490Hero42 January 28, 2020 at 1:45 pm
Just for clarity when you say “I will not consider we have a serious issue until we are prepared to evaluate our own contribution to the problem” how many people does that take for you to consider it a serious issue?
After all it isn’t just a young teenager who is saying it, over 95% of climate scientists are also saying we have a serious issue.
Also you could try googling “What can I do about climate change” and you will see there are a lot of people doing something.
Swiss bank UB’s July-August survey showed that, on average, about 20 percent of travellers in the United States, France, Germany and the UK had cut air travel by at least one flight in the past year because of concerns about climate change.
Is that enough people?
Maybe we should take this discussion over to the climate change thread.
Cheers 🙂#1741497halcyon January 28, 2020 at 2:24 pm
Actually Hero, you ask a very good question when you ask “how many people does that take for you to consider it a serious issue?” It is not the number of people saying we have a crisis that would convince me. Nor is it if 100% of scientists were to say we had a crisis.
What would convince me is when people are changing their behaviours because they believe we have a crisis. Remember an attitude has three components: affect (what we feel about the issue; cognition, (what we think about the issue; behaviour, (how our attitude influences our behaviour.
We can sit around expressing our feelings. We can spend time arguing, and sometimes quite emotionally (as is evident on there threads) about the topic. But if we are really serious about climate change we would be making changes to our behaviour.
If we accept that climate change is an issue then we need to accept that the way we life will need to change dramatically.
Are we prepared to make those changes?
“If liberty means anything at all, it means the right to tell people what they do not want to hear.” (George Orwell, The Animal Farm)#1741505Hero42 January 28, 2020 at 3:07 pm
Well I already have as detailed in previous posts.
And what about the 20% of travellers in the United States, France, Germany and the UK that have cut air travel by at least one flight in the past year because of concerns about climate change?
UBS estimates it could reduce the number of smaller planes ordered from Airbus and rival Boeing by 110 each year. That is something Rob023 will celebrate as he is very keen to see less industrial production as it adds to CO2.
UBS now expects the number of flights in the EU will increase by just 1.5% per year, which is half the rate expected by plane maker Airbus. The bank forecasted that growth in US flights would fall from the 2.1% expected to just 1.3%.
So yes the flights are increasing but by a smaller amount which means less CO2 being released than would have been had people not taken action.
Cheers 🙂#1741512henriMemberMember since: April 18, 2017
Replies: 221henri January 28, 2020 at 4:23 pm
I have changed what I do too because of climate change.
And 70% of the world are reducing meat consumption and increasing their vegetable consumption.
A lot of people are taking action.#1741529rob023MemberMember since: October 7, 2011
Replies: 1613rob023 January 28, 2020 at 6:45 pm
If you’re ever in doubt on the direction a person leans, their use of one of the fakest fake-news checkers like Media Bias Fact Check tells all.
Too funny, I’m surprised this particular checker is still going considering all the exposure on its own bias.#1741533arandarMemberMember since: November 23, 2009
Replies: 10856arandar January 28, 2020 at 7:03 pm
I see on Stuff Business today Goodman Fielders are installing the country’s most extensive solar rooftop.
Hmm. Must have been quite a few people involved in making that particular change to BAU.
I’m doing my best to change my most wasteful behaviours. Less meat. Check. More veg and grow what we can. Check. Own chooks; own eggs – recycle the veg, garden and kitchen waste through the chooks – keep family supplied with fresh homegrown eggs. Check. And we give the surplus to the local kai pataka. Cut back on our car trips and walk and bike more. Check. We’ve started collecting rain water for our gardens. Check.
We will fly to Canada this year for compelling family reasons. We’ve planted thousands of trees over the years. A fair few more will have to be planted to mitigate this long haul flight.
We don’t buy throw away products anymore, we recycle our clothes, we buy local, we shop local, we support local. Check and check.
Arandar#1741534jensMemberMember since: May 3, 2006
Replies: 7749jens January 28, 2020 at 7:57 pm
Congratulations, arandar !
With practicing prudent, self-sufficient (somewhat austere?) capitalism in a least contaminating and non-recyclable waste producing way, you are a model of citizen in the the more egalitarian Ownership Society of the future.
Never mind you possibly not wanting to know about it – what is practiced is more weighty evidence than whatever is said or not said.
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