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  • #1741317
    rob023
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    Member since: October 7, 2011
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    rob023

    Oh dear Paulinem, you’d like to revisit responsibility and justice for what happened, again? Just ignore the wishes of the families who’re sick and tired of the constant reminders?
    Have you forgotten the pertinent history and facts?
    Now I’m most certainly not going down the P or G road but here’s a link to a publication you might not have read before, that might satisfy your curiosity.
    https://nzagainstthecurrent.blogspot.com/2014/12/how-andrew-little-failed-pike-river.html
    Not just the article itself, but the comments section needs to be read and understood also.

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    #1741318
    henri
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    Member since: April 18, 2017
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    henri

    Many of the relatives want a grave to visit not a blocked off abandoned work site. It is called closure and we all crave it.

    People should remember the government made a promise to do all it could to get those bodies out and that is finally doing that.

    #1741321
    rob023
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    rob023

    Some married couples, especially where one partner has a serious disability or needs the other partner to take on the role of ‘carer’ might be better getting divorced in order to be treated with respect and fairness.
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/118933472/pension-changes-remove-extra-payments-for-nonworking-younger-partners

    #1741322
    rob023
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    rob023

    henri, If the National Secretary of the EPMU at the time the mine was established (and when the explosions occurred) had done his job properly and taken the safety of his workers seriously, the Pike River mine disaster might never have happened.

    No amount of ‘fulfilling a promise to the families’ is going to change the fact that their sons, husbands and brothers could have come home that day if the EPMU had done the job they are supposed to do, which is to look after the safety of their workers.
    But they didn’t.

    #1741323
    huiatahi
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    Member since: March 22, 2017
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    huiatahi

    Some married couples, especially where one partner has a serious disability or needs the other partner to take on the role of ‘carer’ might be better getting divorced in order to be treated with respect and fairness.

    Then they would have the extra expense of setting up a separate household as even if they are divorced if they are living in the same house they will be considered to be in a partnership

    huiatahi

    #1741324
    don021
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    Member since: May 15, 2012
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    don021

    paulinem, you are way off track with the explosion events, there was no time for mine entry before the second explosion and it would have been absolute stupidity to attempt entry with the mine still full of explosive gas.There was no chanmce of survivers after the second explosion.Relatives or friends have a site to visit and grieve at, what else is needed? Just someone spending millions of dollars just to make a name for themselves!

    #1741328
    paulinem
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    Member since: July 8, 2006
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    paulinem

    Don I dont claim to know a lot about the explosion that occurred  etc. All I know is what was in the media at the time, as I said from memory there was considerable dispute as to IF it was safe to try and get the miners out  re was it really still full of explosive gas  or was this a ploy by guilty parties to cover up the truth?

    Whatever the one  advantage of reentry to the mine the TRUTH of the mine accident will come out. It is my  understanding from the media there is a team of experts going into the drift   with the others in reentry. They are going for the purpose to find out the truth the real truth of the explosion etc thus prosecution of IF there were culprits deserving to have our justice system to answer too. In other words did any human management or worker  contribute in any way to the explosion that caused the deaths of these miners. An example from memory of the media reporting there was I understand  suggestions the mine management was lax on providing OSH safety equipment etc. or insisting on miners wore or used safety equipment etc.  Don it was awhile ago now,  as I said in reentry of the mine the TRUTH of the accident will be revealed.

    #1741330
    rob023
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    rob023

    I read where delegates at Davos were told “There is no point in only reducing greenhouse gas emissions at home, if we increase the import of CO2 from abroad.”

    That stance should be taken in every country.
    There’s no point in reducing greenhouse gas emissions in New Zealand if we increase and encourage the import of CO2 from overseas in the way of electric vehicles, coal, solar panels, petrol, diesel or anything made from fossil fuels.
    Or is it fine to reduce our pollution and turn a blind eye that other countries are increasing theirs.
    Kind of defeats the purpose, but hey no surprise.

    #1741331
    rob023
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    rob023

    paulinem, the truth you seek is contained within my previous two posts.

    #1741333
    arandar
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    Member since: November 23, 2009
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    arandar

    As with all disasters, confusion and chaos reigned and opinions were many and varied.

    As I recall, there was a possible window between the first and second explosions and mining and rescue experts from Australia said it was the only and safest time to go in because the explosion itself would have burned off all the explosive gases that had built up in the mine.

    The Commission’s Report makes it clear there were a number of errors of omission and commission made by management all the way along and health and safety concerns expressed by workers and others were ignored or shelved and not acted upon. I’ve always wondered why the miners themselves didn’t act; why didn’t they refuse to work in a mine so apparently and inherently unsafe.

    Be that as it may, and accepting some families would rather not know what happened and would prefer to have their men remain where they are, and more would rather know, have any remains returned to them and some sort of closure achieved, I think we should remember, regardless of the emotional or financial costs, 29 men died at the Pike River Mine. Why? Until we get the answers to that question, The Pike River Mine is a potential crime scene.

    “… is the commission’s view that even though the company was operating in a known high-hazard industry, the board of directors did not ensure that health and safety was being properly managed and the executive managers did not properly assess the health and safety risks that the workers were facing. In the drive towards coal production the directors and executive managers paid insufficient attention to health and safety and exposed the company’s workers to unacceptable risks. Mining should have stopped until the risks could be properly managed.

    The Department of Labour did not have the focus, capacity or strategies to ensure that Pike was meeting its legal responsibilities under health and safety laws. The department assumed that Pike was complying with the law, even though there was ample evidence to the contrary. The department should have prohibited Pike from operating the mine until its health and safety systems were adequate.

    After the explosion a major search and rescue effort was launched. There was no predictable window of opportunity within which the Mines Rescue Service (MRS) could have safely entered the mine. Pike had no system for sampling the mine atmosphere after an explosion and without that information it was impossible to assess the risks of entry. The placement of the main fan underground and the damage caused to the back-up fan on the surface meant that the mine could not be reventilated quickly.

    The New Zealand Police led the emergency response and made the major decisions in Wellington. There had been no combined testing of an emergency response of this nature involving Pike, mining specialists, the MRS, the police and emergency services.

    For the first few days the families were given an over optimistic view of their men’s chances of survival, but this was inadvertent. When the second explosion occurred five days later any remaining hope disappeared…”

    Arandar

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