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  • #1738651
    don021
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    don021

    As usual, the storm went somewhere else, a few showers yesterday, just enough rain to help the gardens, a total of 29.5mm for the past 24 hours.Great to fatten the strawberries, I have the best crop ever.

    #1738652
    gabyone
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    gabyone

    Arandar said :

    Perhaps we should consider controlling, regulating and monitoring males if we want to reduce harms and costs?

    Now that is a fresh idea Arandar !!!!

     

     

    Gabyone Auckland region

    #1738656
    halcyon
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    halcyon

    Logic certainly supports that proposal Gabyone. However, the current thrust towards women wanting equality with men makes the implementation problematic.   🙂

     

    “If liberty means anything at all, it means the right to tell people what they do not want to hear.” (George Orwell, The Animal Farm)

    #1738660
    huiatahi
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    huiatahi

    I’m all for cannabis to be used medically as a pain relief but reserving my decision on legalising recreationally till I get more information for and against.

    huiatahi

    • This reply was modified 1 month, 1 week ago by  huiatahi.
    #1738670
    Hero42
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    Hero42

    The police do not make official comments on what the law says so they won’t take a position on the referendum. They enforce the law that the government sets.

    As to what any individual police officer thinks about the referendum that is up to them but I do know of a few officers who use cannabis to unwind at the end of a stressful shift, in the privacy of their own homes. I also know of police officers who prefer to wind down with alcohol. Stress is stress and we all have our own ways of dealing with it.

    Cheers 🙂

    #1738671
    Hero42
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    Hero42

    Paulinem
    I am sure the gangs will still try and sell weed if it is legalised and they may be able to offer it cheaper given they don’t have to pay tax on it so the level of taxation set by the government will be an important aspect should the law change.

    The other aspect that you have to consider is the buyer.

    If it is legalised and there are smart, clean, friendly, licensed premises where someone who wants to buy weed can go and get clearly labeled, quality guaranteed, varieties of everything from classic varieties from the past up to modern more potent varieties I think they will prefer to go there than some dark, threatening, drug house run by and enforced by gang members where what you buy is anybody’s guess.

    Market forces will prevail.

    Cheers 🙂

    #1738672
    Hero42
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    Hero42

    Halycon
    I would love to read that report you quoted to see what they termed Higher Levels of use and Frequency of use but it seems it has to be purchased rather than being freely available.

    Especially as it only appears to be robustly associated.

    Cheers 🙂

    #1738675
    halcyon
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    halcyon

    Unfortunately Hero, it is only available behind a pay wall. It  is not available for general public. As I am still studying I have retained student access. However, it is worth seeking out if you want “truth” in relation to the cannabis debate. I would suggest going to your nearest Uni library. They often hold journal articles that one can read on site. For those in Auckland there is always the Philson Library opposite the gates to the Domain (hospital entrance)

    I am amused by your comment ” it only appears to be robustly associated.” Actually the term “robustly associated”  signifies a high degree of confidence in the finding. In other words, the author does not expect there will be much in the way of evidence to the contrary. Therefore the findings are reliable..

    That report reflects my experience in working in the social services area. When considering the general population, uses of cannabis trend to have more negative incomes that those who don’t use cannabis.

    “If liberty means anything at all, it means the right to tell people what they do not want to hear.” (George Orwell, The Animal Farm)

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    #1738703
    Hero42
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    Halycon
    As I understand it there is a difference between “appears to be robustly associated” and “robustly associated” in that the latter does indeed signify a high degree of confidence in the finding whereas the former is less certain and the link cannot be directly determined.

    Hence why I want to see the whole report. It could be down to sample size. It could be related to which is the cause and which is the effect, that is does cannabis use create the problem or are those suffering from the problem more likely to use cannabis.

    The summary talks about individuals assigned to trajectories with higher levels of cannabis use were more likely to have experienced adverse childhood family and individual circumstances. That sounds like the experiences were to blame for the use of cannabis not the other way around.
    Needless to say that doesn’t remove the fact that membership of trajectories with higher levels of use was associated with increased risk of adverse outcomes at ages 30–35 years. We know people who have experienced adverse childhood family and individual circumstances will not normally do so well in later life but not all turn to cannabis. I wonder if the study draws any parallels with those who have experienced adverse childhood family and individual circumstances and gone on to abuse alcohol or other destructive behaviours.

    Additionally I would like to know at what point does Higher levels become the factor. Is it that it only becomes a problem if someone smokes 20 joints a day in early adolescence or is it 1 joint a day in later life or somewhere in between. I suspect the former which is why legalisation and control is better than what we have at the moment.

    Incidentally is the second quote in your original post related to the study which seems to be just about cannabis or independent of it and more general about the abuse of drugs, alcohol and tobacco?

    Cheers 🙂

    #1738778
    halcyon
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    halcyon

    The sample size was in excess of 5,000 subjects. That, I would suggest is a reasonable sample and it is this that contributes to the robustness of the report.

    The report reflects the findings of international research that while there is a relationship between cannabis with the negative outcomes in life, there is no evidence of causality. Like tobacco, alcohol, and other drugs the problem is addiction. And like tobacco, alcohol and other drugs, not everyone becomes addicted. I have even met people over the years who could have a cigarette while having a beer yet never smoke at other times. Something I could not do.

    The reason I contributed that piece of research is to debunk statements from the cannabis supporters who claim that cannabis is harmless. It is not. It is similar to both alcohol and tobacco in its adverse effects upon those who abuse it.

    I am not advocating that the current legislation should not be changed. The current legislation is not working. I believe that cannabis should be treated like alcohol and tobacco, subjected to controls and taxed so as to be self funding for the cost on society.

    Cheers 🙂

    “If liberty means anything at all, it means the right to tell people what they do not want to hear.” (George Orwell, The Animal Farm)

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