- #1738543totaraMemberMember since: November 29, 2007
Replies: 575totara December 5, 2019 at 4:12 pm
The outbreak of measles in Samoa is devastating I wonder what the situation is in Western Samoa. if my memory is correct Maori were seriously affected when Europeans arrived in New Zealand, they had no built in immunity and died in large numbers. I recall that half the population of Stewart Island was wiped out.
When I was young everyone that I knew had suffered from measles, mumps, chicken pox and all the other nasties. There was no vaccination.#1738554don021 December 5, 2019 at 5:04 pm
We were a hardy lot in those days totara, brought up in tough circumstances. Could todays easy life, overfed, be the reason for health failings? At least we have medical help that keeps us alive.#1738559don021 December 5, 2019 at 5:19 pm
I was recently reading a comment by a woman about another woman who had written a nasty article, the first woman refered to the second woman as a LADY. Why is lady so often used to describe a woman who is far from a lady, the term seems to have taken over from woman too often and downgrades the real meaning of lady.#1738570arandarMemberMember since: November 23, 2009
Replies: 10863arandar December 5, 2019 at 7:18 pm
1st, prohibition has never worked. It isn’t working now. You can’t keep doing the same thing and expect different results.
2nd, there will always be those who break the rules. Police concentrating on catching and punishing the illegal dealers, the suppliers to underage people, and the drugged drivers eg would be an excellent result.
3rd, there will always be those who get addicted to something; the release offered by, or the chemicals involved in, cannabis, alcohol, food, gambling, painkillers – you name it, there are people who cannot moderate themselves. It’s no reason to deprive or worse, punish the rest of us. We haven’t banned alcohol because some people are alcoholics, or cars because some people drive too fast, or food because some people get fat. We educate, licence, control – and punish the lawbreakers.
4th, and I have some personal knowledge of this, mental illness may or may not be caused by substance abuse. It is just as likely to cause substance abuse IMO. Be that as it may, any abuse of any drug, or drugging the young developing brain, is dangerous and we should do all we can (which is obviously not prohibition!) to prevent it happening.
5th, you want medicinal cannabis to be available only from pharmacies, correct? I’d suggest, if people have a chronic disease that might be helped by cannabis, they should be able to get it from one of several forms, from one of several retailers, including the pharmacy.
What about alcohol, which many use to ease physical and emotional pain, gain social confidence, wind down or up with family and friends? Do you feel similarly about Cardia which costs $9.00* at our pharmacy and $4.00+ at our supermarket? What about common flu remedies, herbal remedies, vitamins and minerals, and men’s and women’s tonics etc etc etc. I’m sure the pharmacies would thank you; the supermarkets not so much.
Arandar#1738580celeryMemberMember since: July 5, 2006
Replies: 131celery December 6, 2019 at 8:11 am
Very well written, Arandar.#1738586halcyonMemberMember since: May 4, 2014
Replies: 5035halcyon December 6, 2019 at 1:14 pm
Actually there is considerable discussion around the relationship between cannabis use and mental illness in the medical literature at present. While there is no evidence of direct causality with cannabis use, research does demonstrate that:
a. Those diagnosed with schizophrenia are more likely to use cannabis than members of the general public.
b. Those who use cannabis have more events needing hospitalisation than those who don’t use cannabis.
c. For those admitted to hospital, cannabis users require a longer stay than those who don’t use cannabis.
I would suggest there are downsides to using cannabis, but so are there downsides to using alcohol. Like tobacco, both those substances can be used as an emotional analgesic.
Given the similarities between cannabis and alcohol should we not consider similar legislation for both.
“If liberty means anything at all, it means the right to tell people what they do not want to hear.” (George Orwell, The Animal Farm)#1738588paulinemMemberMember since: July 8, 2006
Replies: 1144paulinem December 6, 2019 at 2:09 pm
Arandar you obviously think that our police and lawmakers will have plenty of time and energy to spend policing your brain damaged druggies against illegal use of legal cannabis. IF the vote goes in your favour next year
I prefer to see our police given the time they have looking after the problems of today Grownups say NO to legal cannabis if you care about this country’s future residents.#1738617arandarMemberMember since: November 23, 2009
Replies: 10863arandar December 6, 2019 at 9:01 pm
Yes, Halcyon, that is my understanding too. Mentally unwell people tend to self medicate with a range of substances, few of which are good for them, but particularly so for certain conditions; schizophrenia being one seriously and badly affected by cannabis and alcohol.
The rest of us probably don’t so much self medicate as relax or socialise with a glass of wine, a beer, or a joint.
PaulineM. As I’ve said several times here, I work closely with police.
Like the rest of us, police have a range of personal opinions about this, and every other issue under the sun. I don’t know what their official position is but I do know an awful lot of blind eye turning to minor cannabis offences is taking place. Which lends strength to my argument not yours PaulineM.
What I can tell you is two things occupy a great deal of police time and neither of them are what most of us think of core police business.
One is dealing with people with mental health issues; from very young children with autism or depression through to elders with dementia and or depression.
Attempted suicides are so common it’s frightening. Someone just used the police in this way today. It’s an absolute tragedy.
The other issue is family harm, what we used to call domestic violence. Most of my shifts, police are called to 4 or 5 of these, day or night, weekday or weekend.
Many of both these incidents, mental health and family harm, seem to involve alcohol. Cannabis is rarely mentioned.
I don’t see how criminalising and making lawbreakers of a large number of otherwise perfectly normal people, fully functioning in their workplaces, families, and communities, making them buy their products over which there’s no quality control, from people who are likely to be real criminals, helps anyone, including police.
Arandar#1738629gabyoneMemberMember since: November 13, 2008
Replies: 2832gabyone December 7, 2019 at 11:36 am
Agree with what you are saying Arandar. Excesses of any indulgence is not healthy but normal everyday folk without addictive personalities, can control their intake. Bothers me that often the lowest common denomination of society seems to get more rules in place, that deprive the vast majority of folk. Why all the outcry about cannabis when far more problems arise from over indulgence in alcohol ?. Have never tried cannabis & seldom drink alcohol but I would certainly like to legally try cannabis as an alternative to some pain killers.
A family member now living in Oz suffered a serious back injury almost 2 years ago. He cannot work in his trade any more. When visiting NZ he had legally prescribed Oz cannabis for his pain relief and swears by its efficiency compared with other pain relief. There was no problem with him declaring this when entering NZ. Those of us who currently do not abuse pain killers or muscle relaxants are highly unlikely to abuse cannabis.
Gabyone Auckland region
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