- #1732484AnonymousMember since:
Replies: 2017Anonymous September 19, 2019 at 8:21 am
Tobacco is bad for ones’ health. The tax on that product is estimated to be about 2000 percent.
If the burning of fossil fuels such as petrol, diesel, aviation and rocket fuels plus anything manufactured from the burning of fossil fuels which obviously must include all types of motor vehicles, all aircraft, all seacraft and all forms of electricity production are so bad for the health of Planet Earth then it stands to reason all these products must be equally taxed at at least the 2000 percent rate.
Come on New Zealand, let’s lead the way and show Greta and the world how much we care about the health of Planet Earth and insist that massive tax increases on anything and everything involved from the burning of fossil fuels be enacted immediately.#1732504halcyonMemberMember since: May 4, 2014
Replies: 4946halcyon September 19, 2019 at 9:57 am
mommabear, your comment my have been written “tongue in cheek” but it holds much truth. Life was we currently know it is in for considerable change. The Left Wing are capitalising on climate change to further their aim of destroying capitalism.
Each day we move closer to a single entity controlling the world. It is fast becoming the only way to manage the large number oi displaced people and also reduce world poverty. There is no way these issues can be ameliorated while we hold to our national identities. The solution needs to be global.
So, yes, taxation is one way of transferring money from those who have to those who do not.
“If liberty means anything at all, it means the right to tell people what they do not want to hear.” (George Orwell, The Animal Farm)#1732511Hero42 September 19, 2019 at 11:44 am
The one world government conspiracy was that the new order was right wing as it was about a few people controlling the people rather than the people having a say in their own countries through democracy.
But as I said it is a conspiracy theory with no substance.
Cheers 🙂#1732513Hero42 September 19, 2019 at 11:57 am
Where do you get the 2000% tax on tobacco from?
According to the NZ Taxpayers Union, a right wing organisation with the aim of reducing taxation within NZ, the breakdown on the cost of tobacco is 20% manufacturing, supply, distribution and retail margin, 15% GST and 65% excise tax.
That is a big difference between 65% and 2000%.
Are you just trying to scare people or are you just making the numbers up?
Further to your post the comparison between tobacco and climate change is exceedingly tenuous. Tobacco kills directly over a relatively short period of time and in a nasty ways. Smoking tobacco is also a personal choice rather than something forced on the planet by everyone.
I am glad to see you now accept climate change is happening and want to do something about it but this isn’t the answer.
The answers were given earlier in the now blocked political threads so just pop down there and check out what you can do to reduce the effects of climate change.
Cheers 🙂#1732534halcyonMemberMember since: May 4, 2014
Replies: 4946halcyon September 19, 2019 at 4:01 pm
Hero, you are quite correct. “The one world government conspiracy was that the new order was right wing”. And originally evidence supported the notion of ” a few people controlling the people rather than the people having a say in their own countries through democracy”. However, currently there is a left wing attempted to shift resources from those who have to those who have not, not just a a national level but at a global level.
Where did I get this crazy idea you may ask? By reading reports on the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change website. Amongst all their arguments to support climate change are reports that talk about shifting resources so as to address poverty. To do this, the reports claim, there is a need to remove barriers of nationhood. Now, to me, that sounds like the reason why carbon taxes are being implemented.
“If liberty means anything at all, it means the right to tell people what they do not want to hear.” (George Orwell, The Animal Farm)#1732535Hero42 September 19, 2019 at 4:26 pm
I can find the discussion document about poverty but not about removing barriers to nationhood. Maybe you can point me to that one.
But the poverty issue is something that should be considered as the poor countries will suffer more from climate change than the rich.
We should consider the equity of reducing CO2 emissions for developing countries compared to developed rich countries if we want to get the developing nations on board with the actions needed to reduce emissions and still allow their economies to grow.
It is also an aim of the UN to get countries working together to eradicate poverty, and has been for many years. It is for the good of all mankind although the rich will always complain they might lose a little cream off the top not that they would actually miss it.
Leveraging the war on climate change to help eradicate or ease poverty seems a good thing to me rather than allowing the war on climate change to make the rich richer and the poor poorer.
It is something we will all have to face as the numbers of climate refugees rises in the coming years. If you thought the Syrian war was bad I suspect it will pale into insignificant once the droughts and famines starting becoming a regular occurrence.
Cheers 🙂#1732536Hero42 September 19, 2019 at 4:29 pm
Here are a couple more interesting articles on how climate change could effect NZ. Both good and bad, depending on where you live and what you do.
Cheers 🙂#1732537AnonymousMember since:
Replies: 2017Anonymous September 19, 2019 at 4:47 pm
Hero42, I’m truly shocked that you’re a fan of the Taxpayers Union.
Over time I’ve figured out how you reach the conclusions you do – you look at statements and interpret them as completely different to reality.
Going from start to finish on getting tobacco from the manufacturer to the retailer to the purchaser. I can’t recall exactly where I read these facts but the breakdown of a 50gram packet of tobacco sees after the manufacture and profit markups are added together, the cost on the retailer shelf is about $5. For a purchaser to buy that product from the retailer, they currently* have to find roughly another $95.
My calculator says 5 x 2000 % equals 100*.
With your statement “I am glad to see you now accept climate change is happening” is it fair to assume you’re referring to my post #1632484? If so then please be so kind as to point me to where I stated that, plus also refer me to the line in that post that contains ‘climate change’.
Regarding the New World Order, it’s already progressing nicely. The Climate Change scam is just one aspect of the NWO Master Plan and is ramping up with Greta Thunberg and her virtue signalling yacht voyage plus the latest round of school children bunking school virtue signalling.
By the way, Greta Thunberg and the striking school children aren’t talking about reducing the use of fossil fuels – they’re demanding an immediate total ban.
Not too far away we’ll have the NWO’s plan to microchip every human plus their cashless society plan that will see all your (ie, unless you’re one of the elite billionaires) discretionary spending ideas totally disallowed.#1732551AnonymousMember since:
Replies: 2017Anonymous September 19, 2019 at 6:34 pm
“But the poverty issue is something that should be considered as the poor countries will suffer more from climate change than the rich“
Wow! Some aspects of technology truly astound me. Being able to produce rain manually is one thing, but hero42 now suggests that wind speed, the amount and duration of rainfall, the heat strength from the sun and the future sea levels will all be pre-programmed to affect poor countries more so than rich countries.
If this isn’t a sign of New World Order in action, I don’t know what is.
Additionally as we all know, snow ceased to fall worldwide some 19 years ago due to some clever climate programming that meant other stuff that looked and felt alarmingly like snow, fell in its place.
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