- #1717398BryanMemberMember since: October 28, 2006
Replies: 12448Bryan April 23, 2019 at 2:19 pm
If admin chooses to think your remarks offensive then I suggest they read back 10 + years before condemning you
If they were to do that they would see that he & I had a series of posts and he told me he had been a close advisor of “Sir Robert” and a falling out over this very idea of his pet idea and it was where they had a parting of the ways.
That’s how I remember it anyway but it was a long time back so I hope my memory serves me right! 😎 😎
At Home, At Peace and Causing Trouble In South Taranaki#1717399lilith7MemberMember since: April 9, 2017
Replies: 2029lilith7 April 23, 2019 at 2:29 pm
Cheers,glad you enjoyed the youtube clip; I loved it too – it really sums we humans up well. We’re all convinced that our views are the ‘right’ ones & find it sometimes hard to understand the views of others.
Gabyone,since the CHCH terrorist attack,there’s been a rise in hate speech on some forums here & that’s increased markedly since the terrorist attack in Sri Lanka. Most of us are mature enough to understand very well such hatred can lead, while younger generations might not, so I hope something can be done which isn’t too restrictive & still allows free speech – just not hate speech.#1717400Hero42MemberMember since: July 18, 2008
Replies: 12004Hero42 April 23, 2019 at 2:53 pm
Love the video.
Cheers 🙂#1717402huiatahiMemberMember since: March 22, 2017
Replies: 981huiatahi April 23, 2019 at 2:55 pm
Now heres good news for a change….the three in a helicopter who were responding to a medical emergency near Auckland Islands and ditched in the sea,have been found alive and well
huiatahi#1717404gabyoneMemberMember since: November 13, 2008
Replies: 2744gabyone April 23, 2019 at 3:00 pm
Great news Huiatahi.
I also hope the balance between free speech & hate speech does not get blurred Lilith7.
Gabyone Auckland region#1717408arandarMemberMember since: November 23, 2009
Replies: 10751arandar April 23, 2019 at 4:10 pm
Free speech v Hate speech.
I used to think there could be little confusion about the differences between them.
My years here have disabused me of that though I remain sceptical about whether some of those posters claiming it was their right to say what they thought and to express their thoughts freely were genuinely confused or deliberately provocative – ie trolling and flaming – and much of what they said was hateful and degrading of whole groups of people.
The primary point of the right to freedom of expression is to be able to criticise your government without the enormous power of government being brought to bear to silence you.
There are many laws about what you can say and how and where you can say it; libel, copyright, endangerment, incitement; hate speech is not the only one to have legal consequences.
I truly hope social media is hauled into line and made to moderate what is posted on their pages – some of what I’ve seen of late is simply appalling. I don’t know why some people are so full to overflowing with hate and anger and why so many get pleasure from hurting and upsetting others. Even the comments on Stuff and the Herald pages are shocking.
Lilith is correct; the hate on social media has ramped up noticeably since the Christchurch terrorist attack.
Arandar#1717409don021MemberMember since: May 15, 2012
Replies: 1775don021 April 23, 2019 at 4:22 pm
This morning when in town an ambulance went screaming by, followed by police cars, then a fire engine fully manned. Obvioudly am emergency somewhere, just hope not a fatal car crash. On the news I see a car was upside down between Taupo and Rotorua, nobody seriously hurt. Nice to know some motorists fasten their sest belts, the people in this vehicle must have, otherwise there would have been casualties. My standard routine; get in the car, settle into position, click my seat belt on, start the car and move off. Many times I have seen drivers under way down the street, fiddling with their seat belt. Dangerous.#1717411jensMemberMember since: May 3, 2006
Replies: 7641jens April 23, 2019 at 6:44 pm
Ahmmm Bryan –
I don’t think I have said having been an “advisor” to Sir Robert, but having been standing for National in Grey Lynn in 1969 and 1972 with the permission to advocate “peoples capitalism” through universal Super Fund savings to Personal Accounts as my special cause –
(and achieving a bigger vote for National in one of only 2 electorates where National achieved a bigger vote than in the previous election of 1969, in this disastrous defeat for National in 1972).
Anyhow – to my delight, Norman Kirk actually initiated Super Savings on Personal Accounts, and in 1975, when I did not want to stand against Norman Kirk’s initiative, and the candidate selected for Grey Lynn either voluntarily or not – resigned for whatever reason – Sir Robert invited and persuaded me to stand again with the assurance, that the rate of Super from age 60 offered by National has been worked out by professional economists to be sustainable.
Well – if so – great indeed !!! Some “flat earthers” among us still think it is !!!
Sorry Bryan and you good ladies. If you want to shut me up, just prove that all you need,want or desire on the material level – can be achieved without anyone having to save and invest for it .
You would win the Noble Prize, because would that not eliminate poverty overnight ?
And I would humbly apologize for having been an annoying and misleading spoil-sport !!#1717424huiatahiMemberMember since: March 22, 2017
Replies: 981huiatahi April 23, 2019 at 7:31 pm
I think Jens you’re preaching to the wrong people….I think most of us were brought up to save. We didn’t buy things until we could afford it. I think the credit card has a lot to answer for….didn’t have those in my young days many moons ago.
#1717429jensMemberMember since: May 3, 2006
- This reply was modified 4 months ago by huiatahi.
Replies: 7641jens April 23, 2019 at 8:47 pm
But huiatahi –
let us now not blame all the tempting vices liberally accessible in our human rights and freedoms dominated relative “paradise” –
but precisely those of us who had the fortune of being brought up in the way you describe are the best hope for being motivated and willing to see our descendants also happy, successful and with confidence in the future through the modesty and thrift which served us (and society) so well.
The fact that many contemporaries may be estranged from these virtues need not frustrate us, because governments have the power to get even the unwilling to participate effectively to achieve the desirable results.
While this is not supposed to be a politics thread, lively debate on the pros and cons of a systematic individual and general prosperity building thrift rate will be very helpful for politicians’ minds, and if we achieve substantial agreement on all the pros and cons, then the practical policy proposals can be discussed and debated on the political threads.
Cheers, huiatahi !!!
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